Social Security

[donquixote99]

The same anger and cynicism that fuels the Trump movement seems to have touched other sorts of folks, including Nailer. Politics is the art of the possible, a saying too much forgotten. The ability of the government to spend in the 30's was not limitless, and the forces of conservatism, reaction, and authoritarianism were not powerless. Anyone can think up better ways to do things; not so many can make them happen.

The fear and loathing of the right wing gaggle i mentioned is waxing now, and disparagement of social security can only fuel their determination to tear it down.

[Pio1980]

There's been an ongoing campaign to return the country to the industrial feudalism of the latter 1800s by those who can never have too much and the idiots that carry their water.

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[nailer]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I guess you're talking about the rise of fascism or perhaps the consolidation of power by the Soviets. These are false equivalencies at best and completely irrelevant at worst. But then that's your stock in trade here.



Evolutionary, not revolutionary. It's need for periodic updating or tweaking is no reason to denigrate Social Security. No program can be expected to exist in its original form over a long period of time. Social Security is over 80 years old.

Not talking about fascism. Talking about the social contract between the rulers and the ruled.

Where have I denigrated SS?

[nailer]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The same anger and cynicism that fuels the Trump movement seems to have touched other sorts of folks, including Nailer. Politics is the art of the possible, a saying too much forgotten. The ability of the government to spend in the 30's was not limitless, and the forces of conservatism, reaction, and authoritarianism were not powerless. Anyone can think up better ways to do things; not so many can make them happen.

The fear and loathing of the right wing gaggle i mentioned is waxing now, and disparagement of social security can only fuel their determination to tear it down.

I pointed out my view of FDR and the Democrat's New Deal prior to this primary season.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Particularly Texas schoolboards. Kansas might run a close second.

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The only problem Kansas has with school boards are politicians trying to second guess them and constant funding cuts.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

There's been an ongoing campaign to return the country to the industrial feudalism of the latter 1800s by those who can never have too much and the idiots that carry their water.

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They'd be happy with pre 1929, but with all the modern amenities.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The next big problem will be the failure of the 401k to provide adequate retirement income for the vast majority of Americans. I know people in their 50s who have worked and saved their entire lives.........and have $20k, maybe $30k in the 401k. The payout from that, even if they work until they are 70, may not be enough to buy a pizza by then. Low wages, kids, college debt.........They simply could only afford to save so much.

It's insane.

That's me. Problem is, anything saved over the past 30 years has been decimated by inflation and the stock market fluctuations.

Unless you made lots of money and saved a big chunk of it, you couldn't' have possibly saved enough. Most folks didn't make that kind of money.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

Not talking about fascism. Talking about the social contract between the rulers and the ruled.

Far from revolutionary and neither specific nor codified and which no government is obliged to implement and honor. Magna Carta was a great deal more "revolutionary".

Where have I denigrated SS?

Yes, why would anyone suspect you were denigrating Social Security when, in a thread titled Social Security, you claim that FDR was "not a friend of the common man", that the New Deal, of which SS is a central component, "wasn't a good deal" and that it was a "minimalist appeasement" of the "mob"? A person would have to be crazy to think you were denigrating Social Security.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Yes, why would anyone suspect you were denigrating Social Security when, in a thread titled Social Security, you claim that FCR was "not a friend of the common man", that the New Deal, of which SS is a central component, "wasn't a good deal" and that it was a "minimalist appeasement" of the 'mob"? A person would have to be crazy to think you were denigrating Social Security.

Indeed they would.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

There's been an ongoing campaign to return the country to the industrial feudalism of the latter 1800s by those who can never have too much and the idiots that carry their water.

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Indeed. And the masses are too powerless and busy trying to make ends meet to do anything about it. History...repeating itself.