Hillary For President

[Pio1980]

Sure, it might look like vengeance if she didn't, but would he fill his pledge to go after her as vengeance if elected?
Vengeance is mine?

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[Boreas]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Of course a rape conviction should not be pardoned. But a conviction for fraud or anything that could be painted as political persecution would allow him to claim martyrdom and fill his ego further. It would also fuel the rage of his frothing masses. Under those circumstances, a pardon would appear to me to be a sound political move.

I see no upside to a pardon. His supporters will feel aggrieved and further alienated by his defeat. The conviction would only add to that and a pardon would rightly be seen as pandering for political purposed. It would be rejected as such by the Deplorables.

Further, it would piss off the Democratic base who would see it as a politically motivated olive branch to the Deplorables, people they have come to despise over the last year so. It would be seen as Trump "Getting away with it" and do nothing to heal the wounds that Trump and the Republicans have inflicted on the country.

Perhaps most importantly, it would be a slap in the face to all of Trump's victims who would see their efforts to achieve a modicum of justice and closure come to naught through the stroke of Clinton's pen. Like the Wall Street crash of 2008 it would be seen as another example of the rich getting away with victimizing the poor.

[donquixote99]

Ford was hated by both sides for pardoning Nixon. But it was the best thing he could do.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Ford was hated by both sides for pardoning Nixon. But it was the best thing he could do.

Ford's pardon of Nixon gave us Iran/Contra and the Iraq war.

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Just a thought - after all of the evidence is considered by the court, and if Trump is actually convicted criminally as a result of his Trump U scam, Hillary should pardon him after she becomes president. This would give her an opportunity to demonstrate the difference between leadership and power - and between her and Trump.

I disagree. I think this would infuriate the masses. How long have people(the rich) who committed white collar crimes been allowed to escape justice. Any of us here who would do these things would be looking at prison(if convicted). I think this would be good to use him as an example. In fact, because of the entire picture of who he is, it would be ideal.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Ford's pardon of Nixon gave us Iran/Contra and the Iraq war.

That isn't obvious to me. You mean Nixon's latter-year influence?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

That isn't obvious to me. You mean Nixon's latter-year influence?

No, I mean the effect of Ford's pardon was to embolden future presidents to commit illegal acts like those I mentioned without fearing the consequences of those acts. Subsequent history has proven this to be the case.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by JCricket

I disagree. I think this would infuriate the masses. How long have people(the rich) who committed white collar crimes been allowed to escape justice. Any of us here who would do these things would be looking at prison(if convicted). I think this would be good to use him as an example. In fact, because of the entire picture of who he is, it would be ideal.

I see your point. But a pardon would not be because he deserves it. It would be to deny him martyr status. The angriest of the masses would be the ones who would see prosecution of Trump as persecution. But it might be expecting too much to think that they would understand or accept any type of olive branch.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I see your point. But a pardon would not be because he deserves it. It would be to deny him martyr status. The angriest of the masses would be the ones who would see prosecution of Trump as persecution. But it might be expecting too much to think that they would understand or accept any type of olive branch.

He will claim it anyway. He already is claiming it and his "fans" believe it.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by JCricket

I disagree. I think this would infuriate the masses. How long have people(the rich) who committed white collar crimes been allowed to escape justice. Any of us here who would do these things would be looking at prison(if convicted). I think this would be good to use him as an example. In fact, because of the entire picture of who he is, it would be ideal.

I agree. He is a spoiled brat that has gotten away with everything he has done because he is one of those elites he talks about.