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09-15-2023, 09:24 PM
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Musk is on a lot of shit lists in the Pentagon now, for making his own war policy. That won't be good for business either.
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09-15-2023, 09:44 PM
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Musk is a business man and the Ukraine war is bad for business.
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https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-pow...191847719.html
The tech mogul’s refusal to let Ukraine use SpaceX’s Starlink satellite communications to launch a surprise attack on Russia sparks concern in Washington.
The Pentagon is supposed to have ironclad contracts on Starlink access.
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09-15-2023, 11:30 PM
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Seriously? You live under a rock?
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I read a lot and I do not watch TV, so no talking heads telling me what to think.
Also I have been interested in politics and government administration since high school. And I read a variety of news publications from a wide spectrum and I am not a dyed in the wool liberal, though I lean more toward the left than the right. One thing I never buy into is innuendos and conspiracies, In this age just about any news can be checked for veracity so continuing to claim Joe Biden is corrupt or has been lining hi pockets since Obama days is an absolute lie. Even the Repugnants in the House have admitted before they started the Impeach Biden charade and in fact admitted that though they have nothing, just believing there is something is good enough to start the mud slinging.
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09-16-2023, 06:24 AM
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When someone is corrupt or a liar cheat thief.....convince themselves everyone else is too.
Much like Benghazi, her server, even birth certificate facts and the truth matter not. Just the noise and accusations of wrong doing. Don't really need to prove anything. Just take the shine off.
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09-16-2023, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Pio1980
https://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-pow...191847719.html
The tech mogul’s refusal to let Ukraine use SpaceX’s Starlink satellite communications to launch a surprise attack on Russia sparks concern in Washington.
The Pentagon is supposed to have ironclad contracts on Starlink access.
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Musk argument:
The US has not declared war on Russia. Asking him as private busines man to help Ukraine is one thing, asking him to use his business to carry out specific attack on Russia is different ball game.
I suspect all this noise around Musk is related to Twitter.
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09-16-2023, 09:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Dondilion
Musk argument:
The US has not declared war on Russia. Asking him as private busines man to help Ukraine is one thing, asking as him to use his business to carry out specific attack on Russia is different ball game.
I suspect all this noise around Musk related to Twitter.
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Leave it to you to overlook or minimize the murderous, genocidal aspects of the Putin war of aggression against Ukraine.
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09-16-2023, 09:12 AM
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Leave it to you to overlook or minimize the murderous, genocidal aspects of the Putin war of aggression against Ukraine.
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And the substance of Musk argument?
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09-16-2023, 10:41 AM
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And the substance of Musk argument?
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Recent events show it to be complete bullshit. The dry docks of Sevastopol (the targets that Musked nixed) were recently attacked without the subsequent nuclear annihilation Musk predicted/feared. He is too beholden to narcissistic tyrants (Trump, Putin, Xi for starters) to realize that Putin's (or Medvedev's) nuclear threats are invariably just bullshit coming from a position of weakness.
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09-16-2023, 11:05 AM
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Recent events show it to be complete bullshit. The dry docks of Sevastopol (the targets that Musked nixed) were recently attacked without the subsequent nuclear annihilation Musk predicted/feared. He is too beholden to narcissistic tyrants (Trump, Putin, Xi for starters) to realize that Putin's (or Medvedev's) nuclear threats are invariably just bullshit coming from a position of weakness.
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And it is very questionable if the decision was Musk's to make.
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In the early days of Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Elon Musk's fairly new satellite internet service Starlink had a moment in the spotlight when its billionaire founder pledged to help Ukraine stay digitally connected with the rest of the world.
While Musk and Starlink's parent company, SpaceX, received adulation from their fans for the gesture, it turns out that the U.S. taxpayers were actually responsible for millions of dollars of Musk's Starlink "donation."
The US Agency for International Development (USAID) paid SpaceX for 1,333 Starlink terminals to send to Ukraine, according to a new report in the Washington Post, At a price of $1,500 per terminal, the government agency spent around $2 million for the hardware. SpaceX also sent an additional 3,667 terminals and delivered service to them.
But USAID also paid around $800,000 in transportation costs to deliver these terminals to Ukraine. In total, U.S. taxpayers paid SpaceX more than $3 million.
It's a far cry from SpaceX's original comments on the matter.
“I’m proud that we were able to provide the terminals to folks in Ukraine,” SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell said at the Satellite 2022 conference in Washington DC just last month. “I don’t think the U.S. has given us any money to give terminals to the Ukraine.”
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Surprised she has not joined the Trump campaign as his spokesman, she obviously is an accomplished liar like SS.
https://mashable.com/article/elon-mu...rnment-funding
(I have Starlink at home and familiar with their technology. Their speed is less than half their rated (bragged) speed. Cost is consistent with what I paid, so its not a gift.)
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09-16-2023, 02:36 PM
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On the other hand, we have someone in the White House now who appears to have been for sale during his Vice Presidency, and there's far more tangible evidence of Biden's questionable activity than there ever was of "Russian collusion" or RICO issues. That doesn't seem to bother you at all.
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Once again by providing us with Reich-wing media's allegations, backed by ZERO PROOF, our resident tRump "non-supporter" is trolling us. He knows what bait to use and unfortunately some of us bit. To finish it out he says we don't seem to be bothered by Biden's "questionable activity". MAGAt's don't understand why normal folks aren't bothered by imaginary things.
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