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04-24-2013, 05:19 PM
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Feds charged him with "using a WMD"
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Still not an "enemy combatant". So far, there is no proven sworn allegiance to a foreign enemy of the United States. He is a mass murderer who committed his crime as a US citizen on US soil.
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04-24-2013, 05:19 PM
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You have to have some spirals, or Mr. Wizard would never be able to help Tooter Turtle.
Drizzle, drazzle, druzzle, drome; time for zis one to come home.
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04-24-2013, 05:22 PM
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Still not an "enemy combatant". So far, there is no proven sworn allegiance to a foreign enemy of the United States. He is a mass murderer who committed his crime as a US citizen on US soil.
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He's a mass murderer by who's definition? How many of the dead does he get credit for, and how many go to his brother? What defines a WMD? Those bombs were basically just a omnidirectional shotgun. You know, the WMD that Biden says you should just point out the door and fire a couple times if you're scared.
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04-24-2013, 05:31 PM
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You have to have some spirals, or Mr. Wizard would never be able to help Tooter Turtle.
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He's a mass murderer by who's definition? How many of the dead does he get credit for, and how many go to his brother? What defines a WMD? Those bombs were basically just a omnidirectional shotgun. You know, the WMD that Biden says you should just point out the door and fire a couple times if you're scared.
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Ha, Ha, ha....................
You know, I tried that stuff once. Something about the streaming lights, breathing walls, paranoia and echoing voices told me it probably wasn't good. I know the winters in Alaska are long and depressing as hell, but I advise against turning to LSD for entertainment.
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04-24-2013, 05:40 PM
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Ok, well, the FBI says a mass murderer is someone who kills 4 or more during a particular event with no cooling off period. He don't qualify.
WMDs have more definitions than you can shake a stick at. In other words, it's used politically, when deemed advantageous.
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04-24-2013, 05:45 PM
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04-24-2013, 05:48 PM
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Ok, well, the FBI says a mass murderer is someone who kills 4 or more during a particular event with no cooling off period. He don't qualify.
WMDs have more definitions than you can shake a stick at. In other words, it's used politically, when deemed advantageous.
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Okay, well there we have it; An adult answer.
No, I hadn't heard about the WMD thing. I have been at work all night, then had family business to attend to and recently woke up from a four hour nap. Haven't seen the news since yesterday.
Nice to see you aknowledge these things are little more than political tools. Including the whole "enemy combatant" thing.
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04-24-2013, 06:07 PM
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We didn't get to that definition.
Under the provisions of the Secretary of the Navy Memorandum Implementation of Combatant Status Review Tribunal Procedures for Enemy Combatant Detained at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base Cuba ... An enemy combatant has been defined as "an individual who was part of or supporting the Taliban or al Qaida forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. This includes any person who committed a belligerent act or has directly supported hostilities in aid of enemy armed forces."
But then in 2009 Eric Holder declared the term obsolete, so it technically no longer has a definition as far as the admin is concerned. That leaves us all free to decide the definition for ourselves.
Personally, I use the term literally. Anyone who intentionally injures or kills innocents in this country is our enemy as far as I'm concerned. Combatant is anyone fighting in a war. These two took guidance from Al Qaeda info sources and claim they did the deed for the same motivations as Al Qaeda, and that's good enough for my definition.
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04-24-2013, 06:15 PM
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Ha, Ha, ha....................
You know, I tried that stuff once. Something about the streaming lights, breathing walls, paranoia and echoing voices told me it probably wasn't good. I know the winters in Alaska are long and depressing as hell, but I advise against turning to LSD for entertainment.
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So, when you did LSD, the voices in your head started to echo?
I bet it's soothing to have them back to regular audible clarity!
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04-24-2013, 06:25 PM
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We didn't get to that definition.
Under the provisions of the Secretary of the Navy Memorandum Implementation of Combatant Status Review Tribunal Procedures for Enemy Combatant Detained at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base Cuba ... An enemy combatant has been defined as "an individual who was part of or supporting the Taliban or al Qaida forces, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. This includes any person who committed a belligerent act or has directly supported hostilities in aid of enemy armed forces."
But then in 2009 Eric Holder declared the term obsolete, so it technically no longer has a definition as far as the admin is concerned. That leaves us all free to decide the definition for ourselves.
Personally, I use the term literally. Anyone who intentionally injures or kills innocents in this country is our enemy as far as I'm concerned. Combatant is anyone fighting in a war. These two took guidance from Al Qaeda info sources and claim they did the deed for the same motivations as Al Qaeda, and that's good enough for my definition.
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So, anyone who is accused of committing murder in the United States is an "enemy combatant", so long as they visited a website, run by a sworn enemy? How about if they got their "inspiration" after reading a newpaper or seeing a news segment on t.v.?
Why is it so important to you this guy be tried as an "enemy combatant"? He's not getting away with it anyways, so.....Who cares? Or, is this just another political game? I tend to think so.
Dave
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