Hillary For President

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

Actually that is a good thing. It means they will put the country first before letting Trump destroy the Presidency and the GOP's future chances of ever winning the White House again.

You are seeing how ideological purity is not working right now on the right with the deflation of Trump; the recent Sanders campaign showed how left-wing or progressive purity does not work either.

Most voting Americans feel comfortable with Hillary despite the big Trump rally crowds and the haters online.

Well put.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by icenine

Actually that is a good thing. It means they will put the country first before letting Trump destroy the Presidency and the GOP's future chances of ever winning the White House again.

Like Hell it is.

Country first my ass, these people are tools of the Oligarchy.

By embracing Clinton they are putting the Oligarchy first, as they have always done.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Like Hell it is.

Country first my ass, these people are tools of the Oligarchy.

By embracing Clinton they are putting the Oligarchy first, as they have always done.

And Trump is not an oligarch personified?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

And Trump is not an oligarch personified?

I see him as the lesser of two evils.

I've already explained how I arrived at this conclusion several times.

[Rajoo]

Less than 50% accept Hillary as comfortable choice and even that number is debatable. Hillary is an uncomfortable choice but a bitter pill, and please let's not sugarcoat her candidacy.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I see him as the lesser of two evils.

I've already explained how I arrived at this conclusion several times.

Sorry, but's there's no acceptable excuse or rationale for supporting Trump. None.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Sorry, but's there's no acceptable excuse or rationale for supporting Trump. None.

I disagree.

But then I am quite a bit farther to the left than you are on economic issues and also quite willing to allow conditions to get worse as a trade off for the good in the long term.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by nailer

What meaningful dialog?

If people want to grow their own marijuana in their homes as so many already do, why continue to criminalize it? Since people can brew wine and beer at home, why not grow marijuana?

This is just the beginning of the conversation.
Disclaimer: I am not and never have been a pot smoker.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by nailer

What meaningful dialog?

I take that to mean dialog about the real issues that have the most impact on people's lives.

Hillary Clinton doesn't want there to be any dialog about those, because if there is, she is screwed. She wants, no, she needs to make this election about Trump.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/all-th...rticle/2003805

In the wake of the Democratic convention, some foot-in-mouth comments by Donald Trump, and a poll bounce for Hillary Clinton, much of the political class has decided that the presidential race is all but over. But across most of America, voters are at least as apt to be swayed by issues as by a convention's production values or a candidate's gaffes—and essentially every issue favors Trump.

Why, then, is Clinton developing such a lead in the polls? Because she, Trump, and the media all seem to agree upon one thing—that the issues are to be avoided. Clinton and the media avoid the issues because they know she's hurt by them.

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[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

I disagree.

But then I am quite a bit farther to the left than you are on economic issues and also quite willing to allow conditions to get worse as a trade off for the good in the long term.

Your rationale sounds like "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."