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[Human]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Polls are opinions and guess what they say about opinions?

Here is an example from Scientific American.

Do People Really Think Earth Might Be Flat?



Now there is irrefutable scientific proof from NASA that the earth is round, yet 34% of the millennials believe otherwise. So much for polls and people's opinions on science or the law. Best is, leave this to the experts and judiciary.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com...might-be-flat/

I think a lot if not most millennials who answered that way were answering a stupid question with a stupid answer, tongue in cheek.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

There is exactly zero evidence supporting your assertion. If you are pinning your hopes on James Comer and Gym Jordan, we will yet again get the last laugh at your expense. Their hearings so far have been laughably incompetent and just plain stupid and if they have proven anything at all it is that Joe Biden did not do a thing they said he did.

While Donald Trump stole our national secrets and attempted to steal an election by invalidating the votes of citizens in 7 states, the worst thing Joe Biden did was to answer phone calls from his troubled son.

The worst thing Biden did was put his troubled son in the position of point man for an influence-pedaling operation. Joe is "the brand".

As far as no evidence, there is no evidence if you're fully committed to ignoring it. I have no doubt that you're fully invested in ignoring the evidence in this case.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

The worst thing Biden did was put his troubled son in the position of point man for an influence-pedaling operation. Joe is "the brand".

As far as no evidence, there is no evidence if you're fully committed to ignoring it. I have no doubt that you're fully invested in ignoring the evidence in this case.

Discredited allegations are not evidence. The latest witness, Devon Archer, testified under oath that Hunter Biden had no business deals whatsoever with his father. I don't doubt that a drug-addled Hunter was trying to capitalize on his father's name, but there is zero evidence of criminality by Joe Biden.

If you were truly interested in influencing peddling and using one's name as a brand, one would think you should have jumped up and down about the Trump family's non-stop grifting from Ivanka's trademarks in China, Kushner's $2 billion from Saudi Arabia and Trump's hotel deal with Russia while welcoming their help in the 2016 election (not to mention Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump University, his bilking of the base with his "Stop the Steal" lies, etc.).

You're too dimwitted to realize that this entire Hunter Biden brouhaha is nothing but an attempt to distract people like you from Trump's rampant criminality with a lame attempt at whataboutism. Your willingness to believe (and propagate) this bullshit says volumes about your continuing fealty to a narcissistic sociopath, rapist and career criminal.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

The worst thing Biden did was put his troubled son in the position of point man for an influence-pedaling operation. Joe is "the brand".

As far as no evidence, there is no evidence if you're fully committed to ignoring it. I have no doubt that you're fully invested in ignoring the evidence in this case.

Here's a succinct article discussing why people like you embrace and propagate the Hunter Biden bullshit:

From Mr. Trump’s team to conservative media to the Republican Party leadership, the reaction to the latest blockbuster indictment accusing the former president of nothing short of trying to subvert democracy focused not on the evidence against him so much as the foibles and scandals of President Biden’s son.

The real outrage, Mr. Trump’s defenders maintained, is Hunter Biden’s shady business dealings. The Justice Department, they claimed, is only going after the former president to cover up for the current president. Mr. Trump is a victim persecuted by his enemies, so the argument goes, while Hunter Biden is a one-man crime wave who personifies the Washington swamp.

The wave of whataboutism from Trump world crested with this week’s indictment but has been building for months, a way of shifting attention from the former president’s kaleidoscopic legal troubles. The strategy provides the former president’s hard-core base a narrative to embrace that absolves him of any misconduct while muddying the waters enough to cause at least some independents and swing voters to throw up their hands out of a sense that, well, they all do it.

Never mind that Hunter Biden was not and is not seeking to be the president of the United States and that no hard evidence has emerged indicating that his father used his office improperly. Never mind that Mr. Trump’s family has intertwined personal business and public life for years. Or that the worst accusations against Hunter Biden, even if true, are hardly comparable to a plot by a sitting president to overturn an election and hold onto power...

J. Michael Luttig, a conservative former appeals court judge who was once a top Supreme Court candidate for President George W. Bush, said the Hunter Biden discussion was a political non sequitur.

“Trump committed the gravest crimes against the United States possible, save, possibly, treason,” he said. “There is simply no comparison whatsoever between the case against Trump and the case against Hunter Biden. It is silly even to speak of the two in the same breath.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/u...ter-biden.html

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by whell

I think the evidence is mounting that Biden might have Trump beat in terms of an "internal threat to our democracy". Biden likely cares about Democracy to the extent that he's able to profit from it.

At least you covered yourself with a qualifier on that one.

Originally Posted by whell

As far as no evidence, there is no evidence if you're fully committed to ignoring it. I have no doubt that you're fully invested in ignoring the evidence in this case.

How's the weather on your planet?

Originally Posted by finnbow

Discredited allegations are not evidence.

In whell's world they are.

Originally Posted by finnbow

If you were truly interested in influencing peddling...

He isn't, unless it includes the word Biden.

Originally Posted by finnbow

You're too dimwitted to realize that this entire Hunter Biden brouhaha is nothing but an attempt to distract people like you from Trump's rampant criminality with a lame attempt at whataboutism. Your willingness to believe (and propagate) this bullshit says volumes about your continuing fealty to a narcissistic sociopath, rapist and career criminal.

At least he isn't defending tRump (wink-wink).

Whell, congratulations on becoming the forum laughingstock. Your pitiful attempts at "owning da' libs" have become hilarious. Before I leave you to post a comical verbose defensive reply of all you do. I'll leave you with one last wish for today.

HAPPY ARRAIGNMENT DAY
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[finnbow]

Donald Trump desecrated the sacrifices and patriotism of the men and women who laid down their lives so America could endure and survive. He tried to take America away from all of us. Donald Trump isn’t just a failed and seditious president and an accused criminal, he is an abomination and every loyal citizen should be enraged by what he did. He assaulted our ancestors and our descendants, while trying to burn down our way of life and taking our right to choose our leaders from us. It cannot be forgiven, excused, rationalized or minimized. The propaganda of Fox News and all of its derivative media cannot hide the simple truth. Trump tried to destroy the United States. He is a domestic enemy.

https://steveschmidt.substack.com/p/what-he-did

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Discredited allegations are not evidence. The latest witness, Devon Archer, testified under oath that Hunter Biden had no business deals whatsoever with his father. I don't doubt that a drug-addled Hunter was trying to capitalize on his father's name, but there is zero evidence of criminality by Joe Biden.

If you were truly interested in influencing peddling and using one's name as a brand, one would think you should have jumped up and down about the Trump family's non-stop grifting from Ivanka's trademarks in China, Kushner's $2 billion from Saudi Arabia and Trump's hotel deal with Russia while welcoming their help in the 2016 election (not to mention Trump steaks, Trump water, Trump University, his bilking of the base with his "Stop the Steal" lies, etc.).

You're too dimwitted to realize that this entire Hunter Biden brouhaha is nothing but an attempt to distract people like you from Trump's rampant criminality with a lame attempt at whataboutism. Your willingness to believe (and propagate) this bullshit says volumes about your continuing fealty to a narcissistic sociopath, rapist and career criminal.

I love how you think I'm taking your seriously when you:

- complain about "whataboutism" while engaging in it yourself
- tell me that I'm "dimwitted" because I'm not obsessed with Trump like you are.
- tell me that I have "continuing fealty" to Trump when I've already told you I have no interest in voting for the guy.
- completely mischaracterize what Devon Archer said under oath.

As far as Archer's testimony, you'd have to be pretty dimwitted to assume that Joe Biden was not involved in closing the deal.

From the AP:

Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers inside the closed-door interview said Archer testified that over the span of 10 years, Hunter Biden put his father on the phone around 20 times while in the company of associates but “never once spoke about any business dealings.”

New York Rep. Dan Goldman, who was representing Democrats inside the room, told reporters after the interview that Archer testified that Hunter sold the “illusion of access” to his father by taking credit for things his father did as vice president that he had no part in.

These calls were meant to prove to the potential buyer that Hunter could get his dad on the phone any time he wanted. You can spin this and say that Joe was just taking a friendly call from his son.

But that would discount the fact that it is extraordinarily difficult to get to the President or Vice President of the United States. The Secret Service must plan and coordinate all of the President's or VP's activities, including routing incoming calls through a secure line.

To assume that the senior Biden did not know the purpose of these calls and who was on the phone with Hunter and why, you'd have to be pretty dimwitted.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

I love how you think I'm taking your seriously when you:

- complain about "whataboutism" while engaging in it yourself
- tell me that I'm "dimwitted" because I'm not obsessed with Trump like you are.
- tell me that I have "continuing fealty" to Trump when I've already told you I have no interest in voting for the guy.
- completely mischaracterize what Devon Archer said under oath.

As far as Archer's testimony, you'd have to be pretty dimwitted to assume that Joe Biden was not involved in closing the deal.

From the AP:

Both Republican and Democratic lawmakers inside the closed-door interview said Archer testified that over the span of 10 years, Hunter Biden put his father on the phone around 20 times while in the company of associates but “never once spoke about any business dealings.”

New York Rep. Dan Goldman, who was representing Democrats inside the room, told reporters after the interview that Archer testified that Hunter sold the “illusion of access” to his father by taking credit for things his father did as vice president that he had no part in.

These calls were meant to prove to the potential buyer that Hunter could get his dad on the phone any time he wanted. You can spin this and say that Joe was just taking a friendly call from his son.

But that would discount the fact that it is extraordinarily difficult to get to the President or Vice President of the United States. The Secret Service must plan and coordinate all of the President's or VP's activities, including routing incoming calls through a secure line.

To assume that the senior Biden did not know the purpose of these calls and who was on the phone with Hunter and why, you'd have to be pretty dimwitted.

Even if Joe Biden knew exactly what Hunter was up to (for which there is no hard evidence), there also has been no evidence of any criminality of any type on the part of Joe Biden. Your Dear Leader, OTOH, will soon be facing felony indictments in 4 jurisdictions for very serious crimes, indeed the most serious crimes ever perpetrated by any American politician ever.

As the esteemed Judge Luttig states, your argument is silly.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

The worst thing Biden did was put his troubled son in the position of point man for an influence-pedaling operation. Joe is "the brand".

As far as no evidence, there is no evidence if you're fully committed to ignoring it. I have no doubt that you're fully invested in ignoring the evidence in this case.

You sound as idiotic as Donny’s election denial lawyers, who, BTW, lost every single one of their lolsuits, and will almost certainly be disbarred, if not already disbarred.

[Rajoo]

In my opinion, just refuting the so called influence peddling operation that is being raised here is in itself giving the topic credibility. If there was one, should have been identified a long time ago. There was none identified.