Terrorists in France Create Outrage

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Well...sorry Hend, not good enough. Not goddamn good enough to demand justice for the dead. Time for you to open your cake hole and tell the world that you believe that violent Islamic radicals and their caliphates are common thug murderers with no legitimate cause who have twisted a vulnerable belief system into a worldwide scourge.

Where's your evidence that Hend holds the beliefs you ascribe to him?

And I lay much of it at the hands of passive Muslims like you, Hend. You need to despise them as much as everybody else does...and wishing the families of the slaughtered some peace is a day late and a dollar short.

Is it "passive" for him to speak out as he did and do you have any evidence that his activism is restricted to posts to online articles?

Do you know with any degree of certainty that he doesn't despise with every fiber of his being the terrorists who use his religion as the excuse and the rationale for their inhuman actions?

If headcase Christians were beheading people and walking into public places and slaughtering innocent human beings while screaming "Jesus is Lord!!!", I suspect the reaction from decent Christians all over this country would be considerably more intense and critical of the twisting of their religion than the half-assed comments we've been getting out of the worldwide mainstream Muslim community for the past half-century.

Perhaps but I doubt that they would condemn and repudiate their religion as the ultimate source and inspiration for their actions. They would say, correctly, that their behavior was reprehensible and emphatically un-Christian.

These three guys were in tears over the loss of Dr. King, and then... they apologized to her for the behavior in their community, and for her being so terrified.

The implication in the above is that no Muslim would behave or feel as these three presumably Christian blacks did. You have no rational basis upon which to base this.

I was about a week and a half shy of discharge when Dr. King was murdered. I was stationed at Ft. Myer, Va and witnessed first hand and in "real time" the riots in DC and in Baltimore. I saw good and bad on both sides.

John

[Dondilion]

It is good to see that Europeans are getting more alert to Islamists amongst them.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

You mention one person referred to as Muslim, and three persons identified as black.

"Hend" is allegedly a Muslim woman who made a post to The Mirror this morning, which rubbed me significantly the wrong way. This from yesterday's news.

The three old black men ran the gas station a block from Calhoun North Elementary in Chicago. This from the day Dr. King was shot on 4/8/68. This was only mentioned as a response to the above woman's refusal to apologize for anything.

My apologies for any confusion, or if the confusion remains. One thing I forgot to mention was that the blonde and these old guys from the service station actually spent a few minutes crying together over the loss of Dr. King before her colleague got there and they headed out. It was an eerie experience driving her into the neighborhood the following week. The IL National guard was still all over the neighborhood, particularly on all the expressway overpasses and on the exit ramps into the neighborhood checking out who was driving in to the neighborhood. Those were, at times, some very scary times.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Where's your evidence that Hend holds the beliefs you ascribe to him?



Is it "passive" for him to speak out as he did and do you have any evidence that his activism is restricted to posts to online articles?

Do you know with any degree of certainty that he doesn't despise with every fiber of his being the terrorists who use his religion as the excuse and the rationale for their inhuman actions?



Perhaps but I doubt that they would condemn and repudiate their religion as the ultimate source and inspiration for their actions. They would say, correctly, that their behavior was reprehensible and emphatically un-Christian.



The implication in the above is that no Muslim would behave or feel as these three presumably Christian blacks did. You have no rational basis upon which to base this.

I was about a week and a half shy of discharge when Dr. King was murdered. I was stationed at Ft. Myer, Va and witnessed first hand and in "real time" the riots in DC and in Baltimore. I saw good and bad on both sides.

John

It's how I feel John. I don't believe I owe anybody an explanation for how I feel. If you don't think it's rational, that would be your concern, not mine. I'm sick to my stomach over the half-century of passivity from the mainstream Muslim community over the barbarism that is running at such a high level through that culture.

I never suggested that anybody repudiate their religion. Although the fundamentals of Islam appear to allow for such behavior to be so frequent and the response by other Muslims pretty much nonexistent. That and the treatment of women in the culture as exposed by so many brave and vocal Muslim women who risk their lives expressing their feelings about the failure of Islam to protect them from the Islamic patriarchy.

As far as the riots you witnessed...I'm not sure what you mean by "...on both sides." What sides would those be? Perhaps the rioters and their neighbors who were burned out of their homes and businesses? Those both sides?

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It's how I feel John. I don't believe I owe anybody an explanation for how I feel. If you don't think it's rational, that would be your concern, not mine. I'm sick to my stomach over the half-century of passivity from the mainstream Muslim community over the barbarism that is running at such a high level through that culture.

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I feel the same way but DQ seems to have trouble understanding my posts. So I will simply ditto you.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

It's how I feel John. I don't believe I owe anybody an explanation for how I feel.

Especially if the explanation might present certain difficulties.

If you share your feelings passionately and publically, others are entitled to question them. You are free to refuse to defend them, but don't try to make it that you have some special privilege and aren't just dodging the questions.

Understand, I think the story of the three black fellows aiding your wife is a good story, and I'm glad you told it. I just want it understood that in other circumstances, it could be three Muslim fellows aiding your wife, or three Catholics lynching her, or three Jewish rioters beating and stomping her, or three Chinese feeding her, etc, etc, etc. People are people, and you're going to see all the range of personality and character across the run of them.

Now the three black men acted humanely across a dividing line. Aren't you arguing that we should not do that, across another such line? Or if not, what are you arguing?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

I feel the same way but DQ seems to have trouble understanding my posts. So I will simply ditto you.

I think you say 'understanding' where you mean 'agreeing with,' above.

As for the damned 'passive Muslims,' is attacking them a really good way to drive a wedge between them and the violent Muslims? Or is it likely to just make them feel hated?

How do folks often respond when they feel hated?

[Rajoo]

Silence is assent. So you get to share the hate, though disdain for their religion is how I would express it. But then I am an atheist, so I harbor a certain amount of scorn against all religions.

[donquixote99]

So it goes.

[sheltiedave]

Just remember, during the three great crusades of the Middle Ages, crusaders killed more Christians than Muslims.

Peace is hard to find when you hate and kill in the name of the Lord.