Fix for the VA? Let 'em out!

[whell]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And you have the balls (or maybe you don't) to piss on any post put up here by TJ.

[bobabode]

Pounding your pud again Mike? Looks like you have delusions of grandeur.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The VA has special needs patients that require a staff with experience in battlefield injuries. So I think keep the VA is the best way to keep the skills where they are needed. Now for general medical yes but for the injuries requiring more specialized care no to going outsourced.


Barney

I'm not buying it for a second Barney. Civilians are shot up every day. Civilians are injured in explosions every day. Civilians are injured in fixed wing aircraft and helicopter accidents every day. Civilians are ripped up by heavy manufacturing equipment and farm equipment every day. Trauma injury is trauma injury. Surgeons and speci@lists in trauma treatment abound. Medium sized and big city trauma centers see the same sorts of injuries day in and day out as seen in combat support field hospitals. Military personnel can be airlifted to civilian trauma centers for treatment just like civilians are when they have catastrophic injuries. There's no place I'd rather go with a catastrophic injury than the Level II trauma center at Mission St. Joseph's in Asheville, NC...a town with under 90,000 residents in a metropolitan area with under 500,000 residents.

But where the VA system purely sucks is in it's treatment of mental health problems, particularly single incident trauma (critical incident debriefing treatment) and complex trauma (chronic PTSD treatment). There is tremendous pressure on VA docs to put a band-aid on somebody's forehead and approve them for re-deployment. There's probably nothing that can be done outside of civilian oversight of domestic VA locations and combat support field hospital facilities overseas. Which isn't going to happen. But the way military victims of combat related PTSD are treated in military facilities is a fucking disgrace. Civilian psychiatrists, civilian psychologists, and civilian licensed mental health professionals need to protect military personnel from the stop-loss bullshit going on at the VA and at field hospitals in deployment areas.

[Oerets]

The wounded need sometimes long term rehab and the military does have the teams of trained and experienced experts. Prosthesis and PTSD alone would be expensive to maintain in the general public healthcare environment. The VFW and other veteran organizations seem to agree.

Plus this fact alone should be enough, it is cheaper no middleman to drive up costs! Plenty of oversight and scrutiny also.

Does the VA charger $20 for an aspirin?

Barney

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

The wounded need sometimes long term rehab and the military does have the teams of trained and experienced experts. Prosthesis and PTSD alone would be expensive to maintain in the general public healthcare environment. The VFW and other veteran organizations seem to agree.

Plus this fact alone should be enough, it is cheaper no middleman to drive up costs! Plenty of oversight and scrutiny also.

Does the VA charger $20 for an aspirin?

Barney

One is lucky if the care isn't shit, Barney. So what I don't want for anybody I care about is lots of shit care. Or even worse, lots of cheap shit care. Universal single payer health care for everybody, including stateside military personnel. Hopefully that's where the country is headed...although probably not in my lifetime.

There's nothing we can do about combat support field hospital care...so if you're deployed, you're fucked. I don't believe the care is even that good if you're really in bad shape and they send you back to the best they have at Walter Reed. I suspect that the rampant neglect has not really been fixed. And particularly if you have PTSD, or combat fatigue, or, for the Patton fans hereabouts, you're a goddamn coward.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

One is lucky if the care isn't shit, Barney. So what I don't want for anybody I care about is lots of shit care. Or even worse, lots of cheap shit care. Universal single payer health care for everybody, including stateside military personnel. Hopefully that's where the country is headed...although probably not in my lifetime.

There's nothing we can do about combat support field hospital care...so if you're deployed, you're fucked. I don't believe the care is even that good if you're really in bad shape and they send you back to the best they have at Walter Reed. I suspect that the rampant neglect has not really been fixed. And particularly if you have PTSD, or combat fatigue, or, for the Patton fans hereabouts, you're a goddamn coward.

Shut your cunt Bana Bitch.

[donquixote99]

I gotta say, DJ, you are the best argument for the 'sovereign citizen' idea I ever saw.

Like, who'd want to be in a political unit with multiple people in it, when you consider that one of them might be you?

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I gotta say, DJ, you are the best argument for the 'sovereign citizen' idea I ever saw.

Like, who'd want to be in a political unit with multiple people in it, when you consider that one of them might be you?

And you can be my 'sovereign bitch' you idiot.

[donquixote99]

I may be an idiot, but a least I'm not compulsively hostile about it....

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I may be an idiot, but a least I'm not compulsively hostile about it....

You're too much of a pussy. That's not hostile, that's the truth. Now go away old man.