Any hockey fans here?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

I'm only partly kidding on the batter being allowed reprisal, the ability to throw a bat endwise with accurate force would be useful. Better would be a "designated" player ejection for a pitcher striking a batter with the choice of the ejected player by the team at bat.

So brushing a batter back should be illegal? Because any time one's intent is to throw a brushback pitch, there's a chance the batter is gonna get plunked.

But if it's gonna be left to the team at bat whether the opposition's pitcher (or their best hitter or their vaccum cleaner third baseman) stays in the game or not...you'll start to see hijinks in the batter's box that make all that phony thrashing around on the soccer field look downright legitimate.

Maybe instead of a designated hitter, we have a designated stunt man, who goes out there to make getting hit it look really bad.

[Pio1980]

Quite right, it could easily be gamed a two way street, but a hit on the batter should regardless always be an automatic ejection of the pitcher. Then the guy on the mound could decide whether the act is worth the risk or not and this stupid puerile "tradition" could cease sullying the game.

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[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Quite right, it could easily be gamed a two way street, but a hit on the batter should regardless always be an automatic ejection of the pitcher. Then the guy on the mound could decide whether the act is worth the risk or not and this stupid puerile "tradition" could cease sullying the game.

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Seems to me you want to take an integral part of the game out of the game. Then again maybe I'm just an old hardball pitcher that refused to let anybody crowd the plate on me. When they start doing that to a pitcher, and the pitcher gets a rep for not doing anything about it that pitcher is done.

[Pio1980]

I'm more incensed when a pitcher retaliates against a batter that got a fair hit off him than a batter leaving no space for the pitch. That's something else and a brush back makes some sense there but doesn't justify a hit on the batter.

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[Pio1980]

Discussion on NPR right now talking about improved bat design for better ergonomics and fewer stress injuries.


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[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

I'm more incensed when a pitcher retaliates against a batter that got a fair hit off him than a batter leaving no space for the pitch. That's something else and a brush back makes some sense there but doesn't justify a hit on the batter.

When I was playing, it was utter bullshit to showboat a big hit the way they do now. Far as I'm concerned, anybody pulls that shit deserves one in the ribs.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Discussion on NPR right now talking about improved bat design for better ergonomics and fewer stress injuries.


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First thing they should do is outlaw aluminum bats. I don't know much about composite bats...but it seems to me they ought to be able to control the engineering way better with composite and make them perfom as wooden bats do.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

When I was playing, it was utter bullshit to showboat a big hit the way they do now. Far as I'm concerned, anybody pulls that shit deserves one in the ribs.

Why not? Seems kinda arbitrary to me between a slow start for a walk- around and an out-and-out celebration before departure. Plenty of that goes on after.
And what entitles the pitcher to be immune from the same response of a bat windmilled to his midsection after that offensive act?
Pitchers can seem so arrogantly entitled with all that strutting and preening, what's with that anyway.
I like the skill and the unexpected but some of it is just bullshit.
I'm not trying to pick an argument, I really want to get your perspective.
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[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Why not? Seems kinda arbitrary to me between a slow start for a walk- around and an out-and-out celebration before departure. Plenty of that goes on after.
And what entitles the pitcher to be immune from the same response of a bat windmilled to his midsection after that offensive act?
Pitchers can seem so arrogantly entitled with all that strutting and preening, what's with that anyway.
I like the skill and the unexpected but some of it is just bullshit.
I'm not trying to pick an argument, I really want to get your perspective.
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My perspective is...throwing a ball is part of the game. Throwing a bat is not part of the game.

You want to play baseball? Occaisonally you're going to have a pitcher move you back. Once in a while you'll get hit. That's the way the game is played. Grow the fuck up and deal with it. If you want do to something with your bat besides attempt to hit a ball with it, here's my suggestion...stuff it up your ass.

There's my perspective.

[Pio1980]

So, selective thuggery is tolerated and encouraged as "traditional", like ice hockey.