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[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The problem is there's no such thing as foolproof. As long as we need oil spills will happen.

Pete

Good argument for wind, solar and other minimally polluting alternative energy sources! Thanks, Pete.

[piece-itpete]

We only need viability and we're good to go

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We only need viability and we're good to go

Pete

Add a better accounting of the cost of oil to the environment and stop corporate welfare to the petro industry and solar/wind alone will sprout up on every rooftop. De-nutting the Koch Bros like male hogs appeals to my sense of justice but then I'm just a liberty lovin' lefty.

[piece-itpete]

If the rich folks pay 50% of taxes, aren't government subsides to fuel helping the poor?



Pete

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Add a better accounting of the cost of oil to the environment and stop corporate welfare to the petro industry and solar/wind alone will sprout up on every rooftop. De-nutting the Koch Bros like male hogs appeals to my sense of justice but then I'm just a liberty lovin' lefty.

Living off grid is nothing new. People have done it for thousands of years.

Hell, the Black Hats still do it around here. It's kind of a brutal existence, and I've noticed more than a few horse and buggies showing up at the free food distribution.

Now it can be done right, and relatively inexpensively as well...but most people just aren't ready for it.

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If the rich folks pay 50% of taxes, aren't government subsides to fuel helping the poor?



Pete

Probably more like to help the administrators who disburse the funds to the poor.

I still say the poor are a commodity...to be subsidized, regulated, and controlled by those who make a living doing so.

Chas

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If the rich folks pay 50% of taxes, aren't government subsides to fuel helping the poor?



Pete

Originally Posted by Charles

Probably more like to help the administrators who disburse the funds to the poor.

I still say the poor are a commodity...to be subsidized, regulated, and controlled by those who make a living doing so.

Chas

No.

And: To whose benefit?

Dave

[Charles]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

No.

And: To whose benefit?

Dave

You don't see the poor as a commodity?

Now there are some people which you can never help. But by creating a bureaucracy of relatively well paid administrators disbursing just enough funds to create a level of existence welfare which perpetuates itself, should we not rethink our tactics?

My point is, there is more money in keeping the poor people poor, or the right people rich, as in helping the poor to escape poverty.

Kind of like looking through the prism backwards...perhaps our efforts to free them only insure to enslave them further.


Chas

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

If the rich folks pay 50% of taxes, aren't government subsides to fuel helping the poor?



Pete

Hmmm, I think I better get out my chest waders and float tube...Didn't the Prez just come out for a reduction in the corporate tax rate? I believe 28% is the number I heard.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Hmmm, I think I better get out my chest waders and float tube...Didn't the Prez just come out for a reduction in the corporate tax rate? I believe 28% is the number I heard.

I believe you are correct.

What does he ask in concessions?

Chas