ACLU FIles Lawsuit over NSA Phone Surveillance

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by barbara

The debate on this issue is amusing.
The same conservatives that are crying foul now are the very ones that supported Bush's illegal wiretapping fiasco.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Similarly, some Dem's that criticized Dubya are circling the wagons for Obama. In either instance, we're working with incomplete information (and the government want it to stay that way).

I think it's become confusing to politicians on both sides of the aisle what stance to take. (In order to bouy their own popularity.) Some may genuinely want to protect the constitution, but are afraid they'll be painted as "soft on terrorism", but, then they'll be painted as supporting "Big Brother"......."Uh, oh, I dunno which way to go!"

My guess is the lawsuits will fly for a while, the hearings will continue, there will be much hullabaloo spouted about, then some legislation or "pledge" will appear..........But, behind the scenes, nothing really changes.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

I bet you're right Dave.

FYI, they built a computer large enough to simulate a nuclear explosion back in Clintons' day.

Pete

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Care to take a guess at the size of such a database? Because in my experience there is not a storage media big enough.

I doubt it, too. IIRC the phone company details my phone usage for 90 days. Every outgoing call with duration of said call for billing purposes. Whether they can zip/compress the data for is something better left to someone more knowledgable than I about the subject.

What is the data storage/ processing capabilties of those Cray supercomputers that the gubmint is the sole customer for?

Just asking that question probably landed me and the rest of us here at PoliticalChat on someone's desk, underground at Ft. Meade...

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I bet you're right Dave.

FYI, they built a computer large enough to simulate a nuclear explosion back in Clintons' day.

Pete

And the Patriot Act bears GW Bushs signature.

If we were to halt the NSA from gathering this information, then suffer another 9/11-like event in say, two or three years, I wonder how many of these short-sighted people posting "Obama is Listening" crap all over my FB page would be demanding to know why "Obama" didn't detect it and stop it, before it happened?

My guess is;

Every last one of them.

It's because they are stupid and blinded by their distaste for a single man, Pete.

Dave

[Rajoo]

It is not the ability and store the gathered data I would question, but the ability to decipher any useful information and deter terrorist acts. More gatherers than hunters?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

It is not the ability and store the gathered data I would question, but the ability to decipher any useful information and deter terrorist acts. More gatherers than hunters?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1
If this guy can be believed? Maybe dozens...

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Good for the ACLU. Someone needs to step forward and challenge the ever-increasing surveillance state and they have standing to do so (they're a Verizon customer). There's a reasonable chance they'll lose the case, but at least we'll know where these NSA programs stand from a legal POV.

I'm with you.

What's wrong with holding, or trying to hold the government responsible for it's actions?

The down trodden needs to reach up every so often and grab a handful of short hairs.

Chas

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by bobabode

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1
If this guy can be believed? Maybe dozens...

I'd say this fellow has about as much credibility as James Clapper, the fellow who said that we collect no data on Americans (until Snowden showed otherwise). As someone who worked in 3 Federal agencies over 38 years, I know that higher level exec's/managers will do nearly anything to protect their turf, budget and reputation. Lying to Congress and the American people is the least of it.

Even the two specific examples he cited have been shown to be more the results of normal police work and not some whiz-bang NSA bullshit.

[whell]

Originally Posted by barbara

The debate on this issue is amusing.
The same conservatives that are crying foul now are the very ones that supported Bush's illegal wiretapping fiasco.

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Who would those be Barb?

This conservative never supported vacuuming up phone records for domestic calls. So, if you're referring to me, please show me a post where I supported this.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Care to take a guess at the size of such a database? Because in my experience there is not a storage media big enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center