China 2025

[Sandy G]

So the US is gonna be #2 pretty soon...Big deal. I doubt if things will really change all that much. The Chicoms have what, 3,4,5X the population than we do-it stands to reason that, yes, they're gonna have a bigger economy than we do. Their leaders seem to be a cautious lot, I don't think they really want to do much of anything to upset the applecart-They realise that anything they do to hurt US is only going to hurt themselves in short order. Leastways, I hope they understand that...

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I see China becoming both the millitary and the economic leader, by a Loooooong shot.

I see the US and China as a subset of the "ruling class."

The ruling class are not American nor Chinese first. They are globalists first and become America or Chinese only when it is of benefit to their economic interests.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Grumpy

Why would we want to be on top ?

I'm a lazy f**k. I always prefer to be on the bottom.

Seriously,

I don't understand why this is so important to so many people. Being on top has always been a PITA, if you think about it. Let all of the "no loads" go begging from the Chinese. Let them be the worlds cops. We could stick to defending OUR OWN shores, building our own economy, taking care of our own people and (maybe) helping out our closest friends a little here and there. And that's it.

Shoot, it sounds like Heaven to me.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by soundhound

we HAVE to be on the bottom. all we can do is fuck UP.

Lmao!!

Originally Posted by noonereal

I see the US and China as a subset of the "ruling class."

The ruling class are not American nor Chinese first. They are globalists first and become America or Chinese only when it is of benefit to their economic interests.

One wise person I know calls it 'Chimerica'. We're joined at the hip with a totalitarian state, by design, to bring it into the circle of civilized nations. Toss in our helping form the E.U. (a goal of ours since ww2) and we are a victim of our own success.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

One wise person I know calls it 'Chimerica'. We're joined at the hip with a totalitarian state, by design, to bring it into the circle of civilized nations. Toss in our helping form the E.U. (a goal of ours since ww2) and we are a victim of our own success.

Pete

We're a victim of our own excess.

I don't think we were all that instrumental in putting forth the idea of the European Union. If we were, Britain wouldn't have resisted for as long as they have. (They still don't use the Euro.) It wouldn't have taken much arm-twisting on our part to bring Britain into line.

The existence and power of the EU was one of the primary reasons we were forced to cobble together NAFTA. We had to do something to offset the power of the EU. Trouble is it's a total abortion. Nobody benefits other than the big multinationals who can take advantage of cheap labor and weak, largely unenforced environmental standards in Mexico.

John

[piece-itpete]

Ah heck, I can't remember where I picked it up, I think it was Kissengers memoirs.

We didn't want to fight in Europe again, we knew right out the gate we needed to have Germany and France on the same money.

Never did hear the big sucking sound, more like a slow hiss

More than enviroment, lack of gov't regs too. We can strangle ourselves.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Ah heck, I can't remember where I picked it up, I think it was Kissengers memoirs.

You could be right but I wouldn't believe it on just Henry the K's signature.

John

[piece-itpete]

You mean Kissenger's not the idol?

He said that when Nixon met with Mao, Mao said he was having trouble with women, that they were too radically communist, he kept asking Nixon to take his women lol.

Pete