Supreme Court part of Obama conspiracy.....

[icenine]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Also as a tax this program can be repealed with a simple 50 votes which is likely to happen if Romney wins.

I feel your concern....however they will not repeal Obamacare. Their base will become upset with the loss of coverage. Tea Party members have pre-exsiting conditions too.....I think.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by icenine

I feel your concern....however they will not repeal Obamacare. Their base will become upset with the loss of coverage. Tea Party members have pre-exsiting conditions too.....I think.

I'm not sure ignorance is covered by the PPACA.

[piece-itpete]

"The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine our Constitution from a co-ordinate of a general and special government to a general supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet. … I will say, that “against this every man should raise his voice,” and, more, should uplift his arm …" — Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Ritchie, Sept. 1820

“The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal judiciary: an irresponsible body, working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little to-day and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one. To this I am opposed; because, when all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated.” Thomas Jefferson in letter to Charles Hammond August 18th, 1821



Or should that be

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

"The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine our Constitution from a co-ordinate of a general and special government to a general supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet. … I will say, that “against this every man should raise his voice,” and, more, should uplift his arm …" — Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Ritchie, Sept. 1820 ...

Can you imagine the words he would use to describe today's Congress?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

"The judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine our Constitution from a co-ordinate of a general and special government to a general supreme one alone. This will lay all things at their feet. … I will say, that “against this every man should raise his voice,” and, more, should uplift his arm …" — Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Ritchie, Sept. 1820

“The germ of dissolution of our federal government is in the constitution of the federal judiciary: an irresponsible body, working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little to-day and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one. To this I am opposed; because, when all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the centre of all it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated.” Thomas Jefferson in letter to Charles Hammond August 18th, 1821

Both these letters were written after Marbury v. Madison which Jefferson, strongly opposed. He also wrote this to Abigail Adams (he and John Adams were feuding).

"... the opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional, and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the Legislature and Executive also, in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch."

John

[merrylander]

Everybody seems to have forgotten that the justices serve at the pleasure of Congress. Read Federalist LXXVIII and LXXIX. I swear there were time when Jefferson spoke only to hear the sound of his own voice Sunday, Tuesday Thursday and Saturday he is for it, Monday, wednesday and Friday he was agin it.

[piece-itpete]

I like the 'lift the arm' comment. Regardless of his bent at the time his words are remarkably prophetic.

He also mentioned somewhere that 'impeachment is scarcely a scare-crow' (from memory). There is NO check on the SC, no effective one. When is the last time they were ignored?

Finn, I'd love to hear that. I'd settle for Royko too though

Pete

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by noonereal

I think this is a set up. I think Robert's is strengthening states rights over federal mandates knowing that individual states will ignore federal guidelines in many areas in favor of tradition conservative politicians.

This will only serve to further increase the divide between the moderate democrats and the fat belt states.

Also as a tax this program can be repealed with a simple 50 votes which is likely to happen if Romney wins.

I think the 26 states may well be in for a shock. I heard some apalling numbers of people that fall into the cracks of Medicare. They miss out for a number of reasons, money, age, etc. However if those 26 states do not take advantage of the PPACA's expansion and these poor souls are still out in the cold, don't forget - they still vote and apparently there are a lot of them.

[beej]

I think political pressure will have some bearing on whether or not a state will attempt to ignore federal guidelines. Once the full extent of the benefits of this law are truly understood, I'm not convinced that there will be the political will at the state level to resist full implementation.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by beej

I think political pressure will have some bearing on whether or not a state will attempt to ignore federal guidelines. Once the full extent of the benefits of this law are truly understood, I'm not convinced that there will be the political will at the state level to resist full implementation.

Rick Scott, Mitch Daniels, Scott Walker, Rick Snyder, Bobby Jindal, Jan Brewer...........

John