Romney or Super Grover

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

So which came first in Europe: the mentality of dependence and fear of government or the suicide rates? Yes, this is a nasty heartless comment/question, and I really do feel for the poor folks in Europe who are facing some pretty desperate circumstances, but this didn't happen overnight.

What's interesting is that the two countries who were the darlings of the American Right during the go-go years for their adoption of right-wing economic dogma were Ireland and Spain.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

The pledge is about keeping the total tax burden at its current level. Tax increases in one area are OK as long as they're offset by reductions in another.

Which is short-sighted, arbitrary and just plain stupid.

A majority of Americans thought the first and second Gulf Wars were a good thing when we first went over there. I could really care less about polling data on taxes. I'd prefer to address the economics.

You asked me to provide proof that a majority of Republicans opposed an arbitrary cap on taxes. I provided it. To now impugn the wisdom of the people is irrelevant to your question. Your question, by the way, assumes that Senators and congressmen were elected to serve their party constituents and not the citizens of their states, districts and the country as a whole. I find that quite revealing of the Right wing mentality.

Not when neither the Tax Center nor Nyquist make any significant campaign contribution it isn't.

Norquist.

Those whose interests he serves, on the other hand, most assuredly do.

"Sources, please."

Everywhere, including posts in this forum. Again, don't ask me to do your homework for you.

Everywhere, eh? So it ought to be easy for you to find some that support your argument. It is your argument, you know, so it's not up to me to offer support for it.

WHAT lost revenue??

This is a joke, right? Borrowed money isn't revenue.

"Again, sources?"

Same as above

Same as above.

"Of course there is. There always will be so, in that light, to hold hostage certain programs - and people (unemployment extensions and tornado relief as examples) - until cuts are made in other programs the Right doesn't like is disgusting and immoral."


So what cuts in government spending would be considered Immoral?

Cuts, or refusals to fund, things such as those I mentioned above. The refusal to recognize the people's right to health care, regardless of their ability to pay, is another.

Don't worry. I have absolutely no doubt that you will disagree with me here.

Oh, and the red type was pretty obnoxious.

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

What's interesting is that the two countries who were the darlings of the American Right during the go-go years for their adoption of right-wing economic dogma were Ireland and Spain.

Don't forget Icelend and Chile.

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Norquist is an unelected person with unreasonable, if not total, sway over the GOP. Doesn't the GOP constantly bitch about unelected folks (judges, czars, bureaucrats, Soros .....) having too much influence over government?

Norquist, Limbaugh, the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdoch.................

[merrylander]

Whell I would respond but that last paragraph told me all I need to know - get stuffed.

[Boreas]

Whell, that chart is of tax RATES. That's far different from the actual taxes paid, what with all our exemptions and loopholes.

In terms of taxes paid, we're the lowest among first world industrialized nations. (Also, parenthetically, the only one without a single payer national health care system.) I can't help but thinking that you know this but assume we "clueless liberals" don't.

John

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by whell

So what cuts in government spending would be considered Immoral?

I'm guessing the ones that would leave folks, such as many of our elderly, in dire straights should they lose benefits.

But, I really don't expect you to understand that as your soul exists only in your wallet, and your conscience ends where you're expected to do something for someone else with no or little return.

It's very sad, really. That our once generous country is being dragged down such a dark and empty path to selfishness and apathy. The future grows darker by the day.....And it's YOUR ideology that's fueling the creeping evil.

Dave

[whell]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I'm guessing the ones that would leave folks, such as many of our elderly, in dire straights should they lose benefits.

But, I really don't expect you to understand that as your soul exists only in your wallet, and your conscience ends where you're expected to do something for someone else with no or little return.

It's very sad, really. That our once generous country is being dragged down such a dark and empty path to selfishness and apathy. The future grows darker by the day.....And it's YOUR ideology that's fueling the creeping evil.

Dave

You've got me all figured out, dontcha Dave?

[BlueStreak]

No.

But, I've watched the Neo Conservative movement grow over the years and see that it is rotten. It stinks. It absolutely reeks of the concentration of wealth and the creation of a servile peasantry. It seeks to take power from the common man and grant nearly unlimited rule to small pools of individuals based on the possession of wealth. I struggle to see very much good at all coming of it at all.

More jobs? Perhaps. But none of them will be worth a shit and we will have paid for them with our freedom.

So long as your masters can keep the average American close to the bone, ignorant of their right to organize and stripped of their ability to speak out against corporate sponsored injustice, they have us by the balls. This is the Conservative dream. The subjugation of the masses to the well-heeled few. So, they let you keep your pea shooters, your cholesterol laden "Freedom Fries", your heathcare exclusivity and whatever other shiney trinkets you think represent freedom. So what? There are other ways of slipping the shackles onto the slave and have him thanking you for it.

We are always so happy to have whatever work we can find after they've starved us for a while, aren't we?
Long periods of unemployment do have a way of making the little people more compliant and willing to accept less, don't they?

Dave

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

You've got me all figured out, dontcha Dave?

As have most of us. It ain't that hard, really.

John