Say It With Me ... President Vance!

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I am surprised to learn that as recently as 2016, Vance was going around sounding intelligent. This interview from 2016 shows actual depth of thought and insight. Don't agree with all his points by any means, but he does often makes sense. Obviously, he's since learned not to go around speaking like this in the magaverse! https://www.theamericanconservative....s-poor-whites/

Vance deliberately chose a very liberal enclave in the DC area to live (Delray in Alexandria, VA) a place known for a great quality of life, excellent schools, good restaurants and easy access to public transportation. He's just another member of the elite pretending to give a shit about the common man (just like Trump).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elect...TM65WYT3J7H73Y

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by RickeyM

Not so fast. Seems plenty in the MAGAverse aren't happy with J.D.

https://youtu.be/Q1hJAy8h2BU?si=PulxquqhFfcSOGdt

Seems JD's got a little "diversity" in the closet. I guess he's not White Nationalist (racist) for some of the MAGA?

But make no mistake, they'll still vote for tRump the good little MAGA's they are.

[Pio1980]

Always been an untrustworthy conniving self-centered bully by training, now evolved to total asshole status. Vance will ride his coattails as his servile opportunist apprentice until it no longer serves his ambition. Then, who knows what leading the magamob from the rear with a weather vane like his predecessor will bring.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

I am surprised to learn that as recently as 2016, Vance was going around sounding intelligent. This interview from 2016 shows actual depth of thought and insight. Don't agree with all his points by any means, but he does often makes sense. Obviously, he's since learned not to go around speaking like this in the magaverse! https://www.theamericanconservative....s-poor-whites/

JD is intelligent: He is trying to project, explain to the Europeans that there is a limit to American largesse and that they should take that into consideration when they approach sacrificing their economy.

To the Americans: Time to spend more resources on internals.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

JD is intelligent: He is trying to project, explain to the Europeans that there is a limit to American largesse and that they should take that into consideration when they approach sacrificing their economy.

To the Americans: Time to spend more resources on internals.

By sacrificing their economies, you mean just what? Brexit?

Your post makes me nostalgic for the days I never really knew, when there was a movement that sang 'The Internationale unites the human race!"

[Human]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

JD is intelligent: He is trying to project, explain to the Europeans that there is a limit to American largesse and that they should take that into consideration when they approach sacrificing their economy.

To the Americans: Time to spend more resources on internals.

And maybe somebody should explain to Mr. Vance the implications of Russia successfully taking over parts of Ukraine, which apparently Trump et. al have no problem with, as long we get to keep our money.

It's all about money with those guys.

[donquixote99]

Money and power. I think right-wingers are into Putin and anti-Ukraine because they have become very might-makes-right in their values. Literally.

[Pio1980]

America first will be America last when we abandon our allies to serve this self-centered self-destruction by facing our adversaries alone and isolated.
Bet the farm on it.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Human

And maybe somebody should explain to Mr. Vance the implications of Russia successfully taking over parts of Ukraine, which apparently Trump et. al have no problem with, as long we get to keep our money.

It's all about money with those guys.

Mr Vance is saying that US resource is limited; that the US is over extended (Europe, Asia and the Middle East) and in view of this Europe should look more to her own devices.

At the start of the Biden admin there was a huge internal debate...Russia or China. Which one is more consequential, which one is the bigger threat. One faction supported by Lloyd Austin felt that China was the real deal. That faction lost the debate largely I suspect because of the heft of Mrs Kagan within the admin at that time.
Later Mrs Kagan, (the architect of the Ukrainian Project) was pushed out. I guess it was becoming clearer that Russia was a distraction and China was eating all the goodies.

[RickeyM]

NATO is what's been keeping Russia from going after Europe. With tRump in office NATO would lose U.S. participation. NATO would lose major leverage of keeping Putin at bay. tRump has said he'd let Putin do whatever he wants so the tRumplican party would let Putin do whatever he wants. It would be up to the other member nations to hold him to only Ukraine.