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[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Mark B

I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse or simply not understanding, but in either case you're incorrect.

The word is trolling

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by whell

Not at all. My post speaks for itself. You don't need to take something back if you never lost it, but if you let someone win, they're going to win every time. So, go fly the flag, like these folks:

https://www.politico.com/dims4/defau...ection1348.JPG

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.9690...000,f8f8f8.jpg

Harrison Evans Salisbury in The Many Americas Shall Be One (1971) remarked "Sinclair Lewis aptly predicted in It Can't Happen Here that if fascism came to America it would come wrapped in the flag and whistling 'The Star Spangled Banner'" (29).

And here we are despite your weak protestations.

[donquixote99]

@MarkB: Of course. Let's say someone does a murder, and you get evidence that will convict them. If you go to them and say "Pay me from now on or I take this to the cops," that is the crime of extortion. And prosecuting you for the extortion does not 'criminalize the reporting of murder.'

Whell is a troll because, among other things, he never understands--on purpose.

[Pio1980]

Dup post.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

And here we are despite your weak protestations.

As much as I find the quoted text appealing if not apt, a Web search cannot confirm it's attribution, which doesn't make it any less potentially accurate as a statement.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/si...is-on-fascism/

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

How about this?

Nice try, but still quite lame. See below.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Like Chris Stirewalt being fired from Fox News for having accurately reported election results in Arizona?

Nah, doesn't really wash. Sure, that's why he says he was fired. Fox hasn't commented on his firing - at least not that I've seen - so I'll take him at his word.

But since you're suggesting this is a move by conservatives to "cancel" someone, would it then be proper to say that Brian Stelter and others who've been fired from CNN have been cancelled by liberal CNN?

Originally Posted by finnbow

Like banning 1,600 books?

Ah, book banning. Now you're adopting the Hail Mary pass as a debate strategy. No, I don't really care for schools banning books for high school kids. I do think schools have the right to make decisions about curriculum, including what's in a school's library. There is subject matter that is not age appropriate, and schools districts can make that determination for themselves. Sometimes they get it wrong, but not always.

Speaking of getting it wrong, and since you brought up book banning, here's the King of Stuffed Suits and likely front-runner for the Dem nomination if Biden doesn't run in 2024, Gavin Newsom.

I absolutely love this picture, because this guy has a tendency to open a door right into his own nose more times than not, and this is a great example. Here's the Gov using a Twitter post to comment on the issue of book banning. The book shows him reading reading one of the current "controversial" books, and other such books stacked in front of him on the table.

What makes this so hilarious is that "To Kill A Mockingbird", one of the books shown on the table in front of the Newsom, was banned a couple years ago in California, on his watch! What a dolt.

Originally Posted by finnbow

Really? It seems to me that your "conservative" brethren only really object when their (racist, misogynistic, traitorous or otherwise dangerous) speech is criticized.

Nah, not so much. Your attempt at pointing out hypocrisy served as a great opportunity to point out actual hypocrisy. Thanks for that.

Now, can we try to get you back to an actual response?

[whell]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

And here we are despite your weak protestations.

Right, because you and yours keep dragging yourselves back to these same tired tropes. No one misappropriated your flag. 50 years ago when Abbie Hoffman was running around in his US Flag shirt, he may have pissed a few folks off but I don't recall any lasting damage.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

@MarkB: Of course. Let's say someone does a murder, and you get evidence that will convict them. If you go to them and say "Pay me from now on or I take this to the cops," that is the crime of extortion. And prosecuting you for the extortion does not 'criminalize the reporting of murder.'

Whell is a troll because, among other things, he never understands--on purpose.

No, it's not that I don't understand - on purpose. It's that I disagree - on purpose. There's a difference.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Nice try, but still quite lame. See below.

Nah, doesn't really wash. Sure, that's why he says he was fired. Fox hasn't commented on his firing - at least not that I've seen - so I'll take him at his word.

But since you're suggesting this is a move by conservatives to "cancel" someone, would it then be proper to say that Brian Stelter and others who've been fired from CNN have been cancelled by liberal CNN?

Ah, book banning. Now you're adopting the Hail Mary pass as a debate strategy. No, I don't really care for schools banning books for high school kids. I do think schools have the right to make decisions about curriculum, including what's in a school's library. There is subject matter that is not age appropriate, and schools districts can make that determination for themselves. Sometimes they get it wrong, but not always.

Speaking of getting it wrong, and since you brought up book banning, here's the King of Stuffed Suits and likely front-runner for the Dem nomination if Biden doesn't run in 2024, Gavin Newsom.

I absolutely love this picture, because this guy has a tendency to open a door right into his own nose more times than not, and this is a great example. Here's the Gov using a Twitter post to comment on the issue of book banning. The book shows him reading reading one of the current "controversial" books, and other such books stacked in front of him on the table.

What makes this so hilarious is that "To Kill A Mockingbird", one of the books shown on the table in front of the Newsom, was banned a couple years ago in California, on his watch! What a dolt.

Nah, not so much. Your attempt at pointing out hypocrisy served as a great opportunity to point out actual hypocrisy. Thanks for that.

Now, can we try to get you back to an actual response?

What I have long since realized is that such long-winded responses are your way of obfuscating that you have (again) been proven wrong.

Your diatribe notwithstanding, the fact remains that conservatives falsely conflate societal shunning (or deplatforming by private companies) for their fascist, racist, misogynistic, anti-semitic and violent speech with First Amendment violations while cheering on actual First Amendment violations enacted repeatedly by their favorite politicians (e.g., DeSantis).

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/202...rights-column/

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment...irst-amendment

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/23/11008...ional-desantis

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pros...ry?id=88491658

https://theintercept.com/2022/04/23/...-dont-say-gay/

[whell]

Originally Posted by Mark B

I don't know if you're intentionally being obtuse or simply not understanding, but in either case you're incorrect.

The crime is "Extortion", and the crime of extortion now includes extortion by threatening to report someones immigration status or suspected immigration status as the means of extortion.

I agree with your reading of the language of the law. My point is not the words but the impact of the words. Taken in total with the array of other pro-illegal immigration laws, it creates a chilling effect for individuals who might report legitimate cases of illegal status.

This would be similar to an employer who delays making a decision to terminate an under-performing employee because that employee might turn around and file an age, sex or racial harassment case. California is creating an environment where illegal status is welcomed, and reshaping state law to accommodate that.