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Old 06-01-2016, 05:03 PM
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Why do I have to belong to a party? I want to vote for "that person"...not a party.
it's how governess evolved.

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Old 06-01-2016, 05:04 PM
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Another poll. http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/firs...ers-47-n584141

49 -47 Clinton.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:04 PM
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Why do I have to belong to a party? I want to vote for "that person"...not a party.
Because if you don't belong to a party, the people who do will 'push you around,' politically. I don't know a way around that.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:09 PM
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Why do I have to belong to a party? I want to vote for "that person"...not a party.
The Democratic party was good enough for Bernie Sanders, why isn't it for you?
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:11 PM
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You see the problem with being an independent is that there is no real party to belong to. If there was the Independent Party, with enough voters to participate at the same level as the two traditional parties in the primaries there would be an actual political force.
As it is being an independent is just a way of being a weak Republican or a weak Democrat since they tend to align themselves with either one eventually. Plus the dissolution of power disables a powerful majority in Congress and split-ticket voting which leads to what we have now.
Yeah someone will say there is an actual independent party but no not really.

One of the problems Sanders caused himself was not being a Democrat for all those years. No superdelegate one was going to switch from Hillary to him even if he got close enough to make them think about it. All the superdelegates are establishment Democrats.
You don't actually believe that do you? Washington is a closed shop.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:14 PM
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The Democratic party was good enough for Bernie Sanders, why isn't it for you?
He was the only democrat running, seemed fitting to me.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:16 PM
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If there was an "Independent Party" that "participated at the same level as the two traditional parties," it would be a party, and those who belonged to it would not be independents.
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As I've been saying for months, Bernie's going to take California.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:23 PM
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As I've been saying for months, Bernie's going to take California.
If he does it won't matter. Clinton will have the majority (2026) pledged delegates she needs on Tuesday night. It may even come before the polls close here in California.
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Old 06-01-2016, 05:58 PM
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Sanders lawsuit in California tossed out by federal judge.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...nap-story.html
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