Boston Marathon Bombing

[BlueStreak]

"1940 January: The FBI shuts down the Christian Front after discovering its members were arming themselves for a plot to "murder Jews, communists, and 'a dozen Congressmen'" and establishing a government modeled after Nazi Germany."

This one is my personal favorite.

Do you think the FBI violated their constitutional right to be Christian Nazis bent on murder, assassination and insurrection? I mean, after all, they just wanted to restore Free Market Principles and Christian values to our Great Nation.....right?

1940......Comes to show that not much has really changed when it comes to rightwing asshattery in the last 73 years.

Dave

[mini me]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"1940 January: The FBI shuts down the Christian Front after discovering its members were arming themselves for a plot to "murder Jews, communists, and 'a dozen Congressmen'" and establishing a government modeled after Nazi Germany."

This one is my personal favorite.

Do you think the FBI violated their constitutional right to be Christian Nazis bent on murder, assassination and insurrection? I mean, after all, they just wanted to restore Free Market Principles and Christian values to our Great Nation.....right?

1940......Comes to show that not much has really changed when it comes to rightwing asshattery in the last 73 years.

Dave

Yet you choose to ignore leftist asshattery that's far more recent?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

[icenine]

As you all know I am not left wing in the traditional sense of the word...say in the context of being a Marxist or a So************************t although of course I do support Medicare and Social Security. And of course I am anti-terrorist no matter what side of the spectrum it comes from. But I was thinking when was the last time we were struck by a group from the left radical side of things. If you include the various anti-government counter cultural groups, the PLO and groups from Europe (like the one Carlos the Jackal was in) it has been a very long time unless I am just not remembering recent attacks or missed reading about them. And including the PLO in the left camp may be debatable. Anyway the last attack I can think of right off hand as from the left is the Lockerbie bombing if you can consider Libya to have come from the left. That was in 1983.

I am not saying extreme leftist groups are good....but it seems like the attacks against America since the 90s have come from Al Qaeda or from anti-government people (Mcveigh) or individuals like the Unabomber. And of course 9-11

I think that is what was so radical about BH's idea that OWS could have done it....we just do not assume that attacks will occur from the left. Things have changed. I am sort of thinking of the Sybianese Liberation Party and Patty Hearst when I think of this......that sort of terrorist group seems not to attack us anymore. Am I wrong?

I did not google anything.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by mini me

Yet you choose to ignore leftist asshattery that's far more recent?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

Did you read post 235?

Apparently not.

Just to save you a little effort, here it is; http://www.politicalchat.org/showpos...&postcount=235

Rightwing asshattery as recent as last August.

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by mini me

Yet you choose to ignore leftist asshattery that's far more recent?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Liberation_Front

That's so weak, it's comical. You're comparing "ass-hattery" to heartless and evil murder? Give it a rest, mini. You're embarrassing yourself.

[CarlV]

Meh, if you want to get all partisan hit wiki for the kkk, american nazi party, ayreon brotherhood, should prove to be fruitful.



Carl

[CarlV]

Oh yeah, lots of fun. Here's a sourced article off wiki link.

This month marks the 25th Anniversary of the Greensboro Massacre, when forty Ku Klux Klansmen and American Nazis opened fire on an anti-Klan demonstration in Greensboro, North Carolina. Five people were killed. No one was convicted. We speak with two of the survivors. [includes rush transcript]

“On November 3, 1979, at the corner of Carver and Everitt Streets, black and white demonstrators gather to march through Greensboro, North Carolina, a legal demonstration against the Ku Klux Klan. A caravan of Klansmen and Nazis pull up to the protesters and open fire

“Eighty-eight seconds later, five demonstrators lie dead and ten others wounded from the gunfire, recorded on camera by four TV stations. Four women have lost their husbands, three children have lost their fathers.

"After two criminal trials, not a single gunman has spent a day in prison, although a civil trial won an unprecedented victory for the victims: For one of the only times in US history, a jury held local police liable for cooperating with Ku Klux Klan in a wrongful death."

http://www.democracynow.org/2004/11/...ro_massacre_25

Those are real men, open fire on the unarmed lefties.


Carl

[Dondilion]

The right always lead the argument: Enemy combatant for A US citizen on American soil.

They are prepared to throw every basic right over board to project the image of an holier than you patriot.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The right always lead the argument: Enemy combatant for A US citizen on American soil.

They are prepared to throw every basic right over board to project the image of an holier than you patriot.

I talked with a friend in Florida at some length about this last night. He is going ape over it. His views and mine in general are a bit different. I have always leaned further to the left than he. My disenchantment with the GOP began in the late 1980s with Daddy Bush's "New World Order" speech. His disenchantment came after 9/11 and gained steam with the invasion of Iraq.

But, we both agree; For better or worse, the Dems still do as they have done for the last 2-3 decades. Expand government and fail to stop the NeoCons from advancing their agenda.

The NeoConservative movement is completely rotten. If there is any body politic in this country that preaches one thing, but does quite the opposite it is the NeoCons. The lies are so deep with them it is difficult to fathom. Lies built upon lies using fairytales as a foundation.

The GOP itself is fractured and struggling with a split personality, a two headed monster consisting of the Tea Party and the NeoCons. No traditional Republicans left as far as I know. The NeoCons are up to something that reeks of Fascism. The Tea Party might mean well, but comes across as an angry teenager who just wants to beat the shit out of anyone whom he deems to be anything less than a "True Patriot", whatever that is.

My friend likened them to Luke Abrazzi and the NeoCons to Don Corleone. Luke is the ever loyal, yet not so bright bulldog who loves the Don and is more than happy to whack whomever the Don tells him has disrespected the family ("Doesn't love America").

With the push on from the NeoCons to usurp the 4th Amendment based on a premise from the Patriot Act, and make no mistake that is precisely what is afoot, they have proven that the true constitution tramplers are....them.

And, just as a pre-emptive statement;

No, Obama did not usurp the 4th in the Awlaki case. Awlaki forfeited his citizenship when he allied with a sworn enemy of this country.

Dave

[Combwork]

2013. Three people including a child killed in Boston, others crippled by bombs designed to maim, not kill. Terrible. But lets put some perspective to this shall we? In the 1970's and 80's Boston was the center-point of Noraid, collections made in bars etc. Noraid claimed to be "helping the people of Northern Ireland" but the money collected mostly went to the IRA. On 8th November 1987 (Remembrance Day) the IRA detonated a 40 Lb bomb in Iniskillan as a parade marched by. Death tole? 13. Injured? 63 including 13 children. Both events terribly wrong but think about it. The reason extremist Muslims haven't murdered as many as the IRA has is not because they don't want to, it's because they can't.

The IRA claimed to be fighting to unite Northern and Southern Ireland, by force if necessary* Hezbollah are using the same technique, trying to force all Muslims to see things their way. The commonality between these groups is that having failed politically they want to make people afraid to speak out against them.

The stupidity, the mind bogglingly incoherent tunnel vision blocked ears fucking stupidity is that although both groups claim they are trying to unite, all they succeed in doing is divide. Because the IRA were (and splinter groups still are) a bunch of murdering bastards, many people both North and South of the Irish border couldn't campaign for a united Ireland under a common government without being seen as terrorist sympathisers. Hezbollah have created a similar situation; moderate supporters of what they believe in cannot speak publicly either.

Does Hezbollah speak for all Muslims? No. Problem is they believe they do. In practice they're no worse than chronically insane Baptists claiming that the deaths in Boston were Gods punishment for us tolerating homosexuality.

Fuck the lot of them. May their 70 virgins be not as pure as they think. A social disses in heaven? Now there's a thought. Not a particularity nice thought but maybe Frank Zappa would find it amusing.

* The IRA have always claimed that they go for military targets only, but that civilian deaths (collateral damage) are "regrettably inevitable".

Are Muslim extremists any worst than Christian extremists?