Obama in Cuba

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Boreas

After the number of times we tried to kill him ...

Well he and the Mafia did have JFK assassinated.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Ours, whell. I said you wouldn't get it.

Look, I get that you wingers are all about punishing people who have the misfortune to live under governments you don't like but what, besides a sick sense of gratification, has the embargo done for you? Without the embargo, would Che have taken over the US? Would the New York Yankees now be the Habana Yanquis?

So, genius, you brought it up. Show me where your preferred policy of "constructive engagement" with Cuba has worked. You don't have to go far for an example. Canada has gotten nowhere fast by following that strategy with Cuba.

All you can do is blather that the "right wingers" and "conservatives" are needlessly punishing people, ignoring the fact that current policy towards Cuba owes much to JFK and NOTHING has changed of significance in Cuba since then. So, show me where a pursuit of your chosen strategy has worked.

Let me help you a bit. These aren't super recent, but they are accurate and reflective of how where Cuba is concerned, no good deed goes unpunished.

Contrary to Chrêtien’s expectations, Canada’s policy of dialogue and constructive engagement failed to overcome President Fidel Castro’s intransigence with respect to democratic governance, human rights, and economic freedom. The high-water mark for human rights groups was reached in the mid-1990s. This was followed in 1996 by the repression of the Concilio Cubano, its leaders and members, and in 2003 by the most severe crackdown against peaceful dissidents in the Marxist-Leninist state.

http://www.ascecuba.org/c/wp-content...anoffjones.pdf

Or this:

The government’s experience with Cuba has generated a great deal of
ambivalence among many Canadian officials about the effectiveness of
constructive engagement. Some have concluded that it does not work; others
paraphrase Winston Churchill and suggest that it is the worst policy
except for all the rest.

http://www.focal.ca/pdf/cuba_Warren-...3_RFC-03-1.pdf

...and wasn't it the left who keeps reminding us that - at least as far as Iraq went - we were naive in assuming that our morality and values would play well in another country? Are you being naive, John?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

So, genius, you brought it up. Show me where your preferred policy of "constructive engagement" with Cuba has worked. You don't have to go far for an example. Canada has gotten nowhere fast by following that strategy with Cuba.

Dunno. We haven't tried yet.

All you can do is blather that the "right wingers" and "conservatives" are needlessly punishing people, ignoring the fact that current policy towards Cuba owes much to JFK and NOTHING has changed of significance in Cuba since then. So, show me where a pursuit of your chosen strategy has worked.

Yeah! So let's keep doing it!

JFK and the Cold War aside, it has been the unified position of the Right only which has kept the embargo in place.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Dunno. We haven't tried yet.

Oh, so Canada tried and has had no success, but we'll never know if it works until "we" try it? What jingoistic clap-trap.

Originally Posted by Boreas

JFK and the Cold War aside, it has been the unified position of the Right only which has kept the embargo in place.

Bullshit. Its just that the Dems are all over the place on the issue, including the lying sack of crap presumptive Dem nominee for president.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...-position-did/

In her 2000 campaign for Senate, Clinton clearly stated that she wasn’t ready to lift the Cuba embargo. During her first bid for president in 2007, she repeatedly called for reforms in Cuba before any such changes to the embargo.

But by 2014, she was a critic of the embargo and said it hadn’t achieved it’s goals.

In a speech in Miami on July 31, Clinton forcefully stated that she believes it is time to drop the embargo.



Or, maybe the Dems are just more open to normalizing relations with murderous despots than the "right wing" is.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by whell

Oh, so Canada tried and has had no success, but we'll never know if it works until "we" try it? What jingoistic clap-trap.



Bullshit. Its just that the Dems are all over the place on the issue, including the lying sack of crap presumptive Dem nominee for president.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...-position-did/

In her 2000 campaign for Senate, Clinton clearly stated that she wasn’t ready to lift the Cuba embargo. During her first bid for president in 2007, she repeatedly called for reforms in Cuba before any such changes to the embargo.

But by 2014, she was a critic of the embargo and said it hadn’t achieved it’s goals.

In a speech in Miami on July 31, Clinton forcefully stated that she believes it is time to drop the embargo.

Or, maybe the Dems are just more open to normalizing relations with murderous despots than the "right wing" is.

What're you, like twelve years old?
BTW, Boreas wants the soshulist in the Oval Office.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by whell

Or, maybe the Dems are just more open to normalizing relations with murderous despots than the "right wing" is.

Odd that you should say that considering Reagan and Saddam....Bush and Osama.....

Cuba's a pussycat by comparison.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

What a child you are!

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

What a child you are!

That WOULD be the perspective of a sad little man.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by bobabode

What're you, like twelve years old?

I laughed and was grossed out at the same time. Classic gross funny.

You're accusation is almost as funny.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Oh, so Canada tried and has had no success, but we'll never know if it works until "we" try it? What jingoistic clap-trap.



Bullshit. Its just that the Dems are all over the place on the issue, including the lying sack of crap presumptive Dem nominee for president.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/st...-position-did/

In her 2000 campaign for Senate, Clinton clearly stated that she wasn’t ready to lift the Cuba embargo. During her first bid for president in 2007, she repeatedly called for reforms in Cuba before any such changes to the embargo.

But by 2014, she was a critic of the embargo and said it hadn’t achieved it’s goals.

In a speech in Miami on July 31, Clinton forcefully stated that she believes it is time to drop the embargo.



Or, maybe the Dems are just more open to normalizing relations with murderous despots than the "right wing" is.

Really - who was it that visited China?