The Affordable Care Act

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by icenine

A few years ago we had a student X-ray tech (Active Duty sailor with complete health coverage of course) complain about Obamacare. I told her hey these people deserve it....you have it don't you? Well she said oh I am in the military I sacrificed for it etc,

No clue that uninsured Americans were paying her health care. The stock answer I have heard to that point is "oh the poor do not pay tax." Which is bullshit. If you are single or married and do not own a home you easily end up paying federal taxes.

When it comes to the individual cost of survival in this country it's the poorest with the highest costs. Just look at food, clothing, housing, gas...all the staples. Where are those prices the highest? Where the lowest income families live. Which group provides the most warm bodies for this country's wars of economic opportunism and political legacy building? The poorest of Americans.

It costs the poor more to live than anybody.

This room cost $2,000 a month
You can believe it, man, it's true
Somewhere there's a landlord's laughing till he wets his pants...
- Lou Reed "Dirty Blvd."

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

When it comes to the individual cost of survival in this country it's the poorest with the highest costs. Just look at food, clothing, housing, gas...all the staples. Where are those prices the highest? Where the lowest income families live. Which group provides the most warm bodies for this country's wars of economic opportunism and political legacy building? The poorest of Americans.

It costs the poor more to live than anybody.

This room cost $2,000 a month
You can believe it, man, it's true
Somewhere there's a landlord's laughing till he wets his pants...
- Lou Reed "Dirty Blvd."

One shining example;

There are three 7-11s, a couple of independent convenience stores and several fast food joints within a half mile from my 'hood. Why? Section 8 housing a block over, that's why. Poor people, who can't afford to own a car, only shop at stores they can walk to. I see them all day long carrying small bags toward McDonald Manor, an apartment complex with few vehicles in the parking lot. (Section 8) The "food" is mostly junk and prices in the stores are ridiculous, but they get it, because the locals have little choice. Who in the hell is going to walk two miles to Food Lion or five miles to Walmart to carry everything all the way back in their arms? No one, that's who.

So, yes, being poor is expensive and unhealthy unless one lives somewhere where he can grow his own food.

Dave

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

The shining example;

There are three 7-11s, a couple of independent convenience stores and several fast food joints within a half mile from my 'hood. Why? Section 8 housing a block over, that's why. Poor people, who can't afford to own a car, only shop at stores they can walk to. I see them all day long carrying small bags toward McDonald Manor, an apartment complex with few vehicles in the parking lot. (Section 8) The "food" is mostly junk and prices in the stores are ridiculous, but they get it, because the locals have little choice. Who in the hell is going to walk two miles to Food Lion or five miles to Walmart to carry everything all the way back in their arms? No one, that's who.

So, yes, being poor is expensive and unhealthy unless one lives somewhere where he can grow his own food.

Dave

Yep. And the problem with living somewhere far enough away from everything, where you can grow your own food without somebody from some level of government sticking his nose into it, is that your neighbors are going to be fucked up survivalista/militia types. Good luck with that.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Yep. And the problem with living somewhere far enough away from everything, where you can grow your own food without somebody from some level of government sticking his nose into it, is that your neighbors are going to be fucked up survivalista/militia types. Good luck with that.

I thought you wanted Government to control all aspects of our lives. We need them to hold our hand to protect us.

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

One shining example;

There are three 7-11s, a couple of independent convenience stores and several fast food joints within a half mile from my 'hood. Why? Section 8 housing a block over, that's why. Poor people, who can't afford to own a car, only shop at stores they can walk to. I see them all day long carrying small bags toward McDonald Manor, an apartment complex with few vehicles in the parking lot. (Section 8) The "food" is mostly junk and prices in the stores are ridiculous, but they get it, because the locals have little choice. Who in the hell is going to walk two miles to Food Lion or five miles to Walmart to carry everything all the way back in their arms? No one, that's who.

So, yes, being poor is expensive and unhealthy unless one lives somewhere where he can grow his own food.

Dave

The poor also pay the highest insurance premiums, cannot buy in bulk, and get charged the highest interest rates.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by barbara

Ike, sorry I'm so late in getting a chance to respond to your comment above. While I don't place 'blame' in the left, I do see that many on the left contributed to the resistance of a single payer system.

In some respects, I don't separate the pro health care reformers from the anti health care reformers so much by political party as by those who have had extensive interaction with our health care system and understand all to well where and why it is broken from those who have had minimal interaction with the health care system and are clueless.

Then there are those of us who have experiend other systems and know that all the propganda against SinglePayer is untrue. Hell there are still people back in Canada who bitch and moan about it probably because the doctor does not make house calls. You only get that in small toens any more. I remember when my son had croup, Doc Plouffe asked me if I would feel better if he came to the house. I would and he did.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by icenine

A few years ago we had a student X-ray tech (Active Duty sailor with complete health coverage of course) complain about Obamacare. I told her hey these people deserve it....you have it don't you? Well she said oh I am in the military I sacrificed for it etc,

No clue that uninsured Americans were paying her health care. The stock answer I have heard to that point is "oh the poor do not pay tax." Which is bullshit. If you are single or married and do not own a home you easily end up paying federal taxes.

Even poor people pay FICA and Medicare unless they are destitute.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Another Cal Thomas FOS op ed example of false equivalence.
You bet you can trust self supervised private enterprise over accountable representative services. For example things were just fine before the pure food and drug act.

Sure all you had to do was cook the shit (e-coli) out of it.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Yep. And the problem with living somewhere far enough away from everything, where you can grow your own food without somebody from some level of government sticking his nose into it, is that your neighbors are going to be fucked up survivalista/militia types. Good luck with that.

They really need to bring back the Victory Gardens, except in today's climate other people would steal all tthe veggies.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

I thought you wanted Government to control all aspects of our lives. We need them to hold our hand to protect us.

I thought that was the self appointed function of every idiot militia member hiding in the woods from Michigan to Florida?

Dave