Casualties Post 9/11 Attacks

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Fuck 9/11.

It's the day the Bush Administration used as an excuse to start their Illegal. immoral war of imperial aggression in Iraq. A war that has now engulfed almost the entire Middle East into one big giant cluster fuck.

Your response leaves me scratching my head.

Your mixing of the condemnation of Bush with the people in the Twin Towers is unfortunate.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by icenine

I think cancer kills about 1 out of every 4 people anyway, so I question any study suggesting causality between 9/11 and local NYC cancer deaths..

I didn't want to go there today but I have never believed the health problem of the workers story.

I know scores who were there from day one and all are just fine, not even a cough.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Your response leaves me scratching my head.

Your mixing of the condemnation of Bush with the people in the Twin Towers is unfortunate.

TJ probably is not a fan of Giuliani, does that explain it?

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

TJ probably is not a fan of Giuliani, does that explain it?

No
The thread was posted to honor people's actions and the consequent of them.
What does political tirades have to do with that?

[BlueStreak]

I had worked late at the Federal Mogul plant, so I was asleep. But, I woke up at about nine, made a cup of coffee and turned on the t.v.......My first thought? "What movie is this?". Of course it only took about five seconds to realize it wasn't a movie. I watched for about an hour, then went for a bike ride. As I rode I thought of the dead and the inevitable war to come. I wondered what sort of death toll would rise after it was all said and done........if it ever was. Was I scared? No. I knew our military was strong enough to prevent a second overt attack in the near term and that the 9/11 attacks were likely all the enemy was capable of, at the time. Was I angry? No. It came as no surprise to me that obsessed religious fundamentalists are capable of such horrid acts. That's why I oppose them accruing power within our government. No, I was sad........Sad because I knew the bloodbath was only just beginning. Never forget the dead, both on 9/11/01 and the thousands of American soldiers killed and tens of thousands grievously injured, physically and psychologically in the years to follow.

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Perfectly understandable for people living in a bubble of hate filled propaganda, denial and oblivious to factual information.

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I had worked late at the Federal Mogul plant, so I was asleep. But, I woke up at about nine, made a cup of coffee and turned on the t.v.......My first thought? "What movie is this?". Of course it only took about five seconds to realize it wasn't a movie. I watched for about an hour, then went for a bike ride. As I rode I thought of the dead and the inevitable war to come. I wondered what sort of death toll would rise after it was all said and done........if it ever was. Was I scared? No. I knew our military was strong enough to prevent a second overt attack in the near term and that the 9/11 attacks were likely all the enemy was capable of, at the time. Was I angry? No. It came as no surprise to me that obsessed religious fundamentalists are capable of such horrid acts. That's why I oppose them accruing power within our government. No, I was sad........Sad because I knew the bloodbath was only just beginning. Never forget the dead, both on 9/11/01 and the thousands of American soldiers killed and tens of thousands grievously injured, physically and psychologically in the years to follow.

I felt pretty much the same except that I had no idea how bad the aftermath would be. I expected we would bomb the shit out of Afghanistan and at the time I was all for that. Of course I didn't in my wildest imaginations think we would still be there 14 years later. But the Invasion of Iraq too? I didn't see that coming.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

You shouldn't be so hard on yourself.

Bam!

[icenine]

Bush lacked wisdom. A much wiser President would not have invaded Iraq as a response to 9/11. Although I do not recall many Americans saying "no do not do this" at the time.

My favorite "literary" (he was actually a real Russian general) character right now is General Kutzuzov, who was in charge of the Russian Army during the 1812 French Invasion. The winter and fires set in Moscow have taken a huge toll on the French Army, which was beginning to dissolve after the defeat at Borodino. The Czar, German Generals with the Russian Army, and everyone else is saying chase after the French army and destroy it...but Kutzuzov refuses. He is old and tired, and knows that the weather and geography of Russia has already destroyed Napoleon's forces, and that a pursuit would only lead to the wasted deaths of Russian soldiers and possibly the collapse of the Russian Army. He is shown as being wise while those around him think he is weak or foolish but Tolstoy looking back at him 50 years later makes him out to be the hero.

We needed someone like that in 2003.
I think we will look back at Obama's decision to not to follow through on his "Red Line" as a very wise decision also. I think it is obvious who would be in charge of Damascus now if we had taken the Syrian government down.

[BlueStreak]

To some greater or lesser degree, we were all upset with Arabs and Muslims in general. We were caught up in the moment and out for revenge. That's when a GOOD leader is supposed to step up and lead with prudent restraint. Unfortunately we had a wannabe cowboy jackass serving as the pied piper of the simpleminded and reactionary macho-men. Tens of thousands of American lives ruined and trillions of dollars spent and we STILL haven't learned...........that we became a greater threat to ourselves than bin Laden & Co. ever posed. Just look at the assholes at the forefront of the GOP field and tell me how we aren't in danger of setting ourselves up for more of the same.................