Four Marines Killed In Tennessee

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

As do I. So what?

That aside, given the increasing # of attacks on military personnel/installations and the very effective marketing campaign ISIS (or whoever you want to call them) is waging - calling repeatedly over social media to attack the military here in the US, publishing names/addresses of military personnel - it would seem logical to increase security at all installations.

Common sense, to me.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Yeh, I suppose in the midst of their grief that they may be susceptible to the NRA's message that the only solution for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Perhaps you could call them and ask them - a rather callous opening to inject an anti NRA message that has no bearing on the military.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Perhaps you could call them and ask them - a rather callous opening to inject an anti NRA message that has no bearing on the military.

Having lived for several years right on the East German border in Fulda, Germany in the midst of the Cold War, I know that US soldiers on patrol on the East German border didn't have loaded weapons. Their ammo was in a sealed box in their vehicles and if the seal was ever broken, they'd have hell to pay. Dod knew full well that it is a decidedly bad idea to give the discretion to start a shooting war to 18-20 year old enlisted men.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Having lived for several years right on the East German border in Fulda, Germany in the midst of the Cold War, I know that US soldiers on patrol on the East German border didn't have loaded weapons. Their ammo was in a sealed box in their vehicles and if the seal was ever broken, they'd have hell to pay. Dod knew full well that it is a decidedly bad idea to give the discretion to start a shooting war to 18-20 year old enlisted men.

I would assert this a different situation - if the military doesn't want the Marines guarding installations against the current threat, contract security is available.

Our perimeter in MD was guarded by rent-a-cops. Wouldn't be my first choice, but better than nothing.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

I would assert this a different situation - if the military doesn't want the Marines guarding installations against the current threat, contract security is available.

Our perimeter in MD was guarded by rent-a-cops. Wouldn't be my first choice, but better than nothing.

Armed security guards make perfect sense in many cases. Keeping all stateside service members locked-and-loaded is a catastrophe (or many catastrophes) waiting to happen, however.

[catswiththum]

Wackenhut Security took some guy's briefcase and shot it all to hell back in '83 or '84 - we got a big kick out of it. Never did find out the details, he was prob. reassigned to Adak.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

if the military doesn't want the Marines guarding installations against the current threat, contract security is available.

In the present atmosphere your solution makes sense.

Reminds me how we allowed some 200 marines to be killed in Lebanon because we abandoned common sense.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Having lived for several years right on the East German border in Fulda, Germany in the midst of the Cold War, I know that US soldiers on patrol on the East German border didn't have loaded weapons. Their ammo was in a sealed box in their vehicles and if the seal was ever broken, they'd have hell to pay. Dod knew full well that it is a decidedly bad idea to give the discretion to start a shooting war to 18-20 year old enlisted men.

You're absolutely right finn. That's how all branches of the military work with live rounds. They're never going to change it. You open the ammo box and you better have a reason. You open fire on somebody in a public place and you better have authorization...even authorization from the almighty doesn't cover it. When you take the oath you can give your heart to Jesus, but your ass belongs to the Corps.

I walked remote guard posts at Camp Pendleton and my weapon was a night stick. Marines aren't going to be walking around the strip mall with a loaded sidearm on their hip. It's ridiculous. If the Pentagon believes it's too dangerous for personnel to be unarmed in the strip mall, they're close the recruiting offices before they have loaded weapons in them. And we know they won't be closing the recruiting stations.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph - the military (the folks that are trained to use firearms and ones you would expect to have them) gunned down. And Marines. MARINES.

Yes, I know the the logistics and current regs - but a sign on a military base door that says "No Guns Beyond This Point" and no one armed to check in this age of military base attacks?

Really?

I really don't like the no guns policy for Military personnel.

I would have no problem with recruiters wearing sidearms and with them having some rifles locked up in the back room. Hell we let fat assed civilian cops wear them everywhere and the military is a Helluva lot better trained than they are. (With the exception of the Air Farce of course).

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Our perimeter in MD was guarded by rent-a-cops. Wouldn't be my first choice, but better than nothing.

I don't think so.

I worked part time for Wackenhutt for a while.

You'd be better off just putting out a scarecrow.