Terrorists in France Create Outrage

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

And what is this "Islam' of which Bill Maher speaks, and of which he thinks he knows what is wrong and right, what is naive or real.

"Islam" is a high-order abstraction. Of course no two high-order abstractions are alike. No two persons' conceptions of any high order abstraction are alike.

To get to reality, you have to get to individual people.

Next time you walk through airport security, ask yourself why?
Then find one or two of those individual people and ask them why. You will be rewarded with stony silence. Because they don't know either.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

So this is better?

Your cartoon deals with two images, not with reality.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Next time you walk through airport security, ask yourself why?
Then find one or two of those individual people and ask them why. You will be rewarded with stony silence. Because they don't know either.

What is the importance of the ability to say why?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

And this is how I feel. F@*k them if they cannot take a joke.

Bill Maher: To claim that Islam “is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/bi...nd-plain-wrong

Well, of course. I suppose we could rightly say, don't we all have the same god and nobody should have anit-Islamic antipathies...if the behaviors weren't quite so persistent and increasingly despicable. And then we get shit like this post to the Mirror this morning...

Hend @LibyaLiberty

As a Muslim, I absolutely refuse to apologize for this terrorist act. But as a Muslim,I demand justice for the victims& say: #JeSuisCharlie
7:21 AM - 7 Jan 2015

Well...sorry Hend, not good enough. Not goddamn good enough to demand justice for the dead. Time for you to open your cake hole and tell the world that you believe that violent Islamic radicals and their caliphates are common thug murderers with no legitimate cause who have twisted a vulnerable belief system into a worldwide scourge. And I lay much of it at the hands of passive Muslims like you, Hend. You need to despise them as much as everybody else does...and wishing the families of the slaughtered some peace is a day late and a dollar short.

If headcase Christians were beheading people and walking into public places and slaughtering innocent human beings while screaming "Jesus is Lord!!!", I suspect the reaction from decent Christians all over this country would be considerably more intense and critical of the twisting of their religion than the half-assed comments we've been getting out of the worldwide mainstream Muslim community for the past half-century.

Now I'm gonna tell you a story about the day Dr. King was shot. The blonde was teaching her elementary school class on the west side of Chicago when the sound of gunfire filled the neighborhood and it went up in flames. The kids were all sent home and the staff was advised to get out of the neighborhood immediately. Her old Opel Kadett got as far as the corner of California and the Eisenhower when the clutch cable snapped. She coasted into a little gas station on the corner. Three old black men (probably the age I am now), pushed her car into the station, and hid her in the rest room. They called the school and found the last remaining teacher, on his way out, who drove over, picked her up and got the hell out of there. These three guys were in tears over the loss of Dr. King, and then... they apologized to her for the behavior in their community, and for her being so terrified. When she got back to the school the following week, she walked over to the shop and they had already repaired her car. She had to insist they take 50 bucks for the cost of the repair and for and keeping her safe. She'll never forget those guys.

[Zeke]

I wouldn't, either.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

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Well...sorry Hend, not good enough.
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She'll never forget those guys.

You mention one person referred to as Muslim, and three persons identified as black.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

What is the importance of the ability to say why?

It's called rationalization and we humans are afflicted with it. See if this quote from Carl Sagan make sense to you?

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” - Carl Sagan

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

It's called rationalization and we humans are afflicted with it. See if this quote from Carl Sagan make sense to you?

But that wasn't why you were saying I don't know why. Your claim was that people can't say why, but now you say folks are afflicted with rationalization, which means they can say stuff as to why, doesn't it? Of course, rationalizations are poor reasons, we think.

Actually, you were just trying to throw sand in my rationalizations. Which is why I threw sand back.

Anyway, Sagan is probably right most of the time. But what particular bamboozles do you have in mind, afflicting whom?

BTW, I don't think time is a useful variable, with regard to bamboozles. People can get very attached to them very quickly, I don't think it's time that makes them strong or weak.

[BlueStreak]

Vive la France, Vive la Française!!!!!!!

[Dondilion]

Millions of Muslims are living medieval shit - Middle East, Pakistan and most of the other stans, sections of Africa.

I believe the modern world, especially Europe, sees Muslims as a severe threat and will eventually circumscribe and or eject them from its area.