Poll Tax Coming To A Red State Near You

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

In order to get welfare here in Ohio you need ID: a DL or State ID, and birth certificate, and SS card, for everyone in the home, not just the person applying. I see the whole thing as a nonissue but it sure gets the respective bases fired up

Pete

A bit excessive but it may be necessary for processing payments. In any event, there's no law against it. There is a law against poll taxes. Do you know why?

John

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

In order to get welfare here in Ohio you need ID: a DL or State ID, and birth certificate, and SS card, for everyone in the home, not just the person applying. I see the whole thing as a nonissue but it sure gets the respective bases fired up

Pete

You are aware that there are states that did not start issuing birth certificates until well into the 1900s. Come to think of it my birth certificate was really issued by the DD who chritened me three months after I was born.

[piece-itpete]

I didn't know that Rob. How did people prove identity?

John it's to prevent welfare fraud. And yes, I know why Every time I see the phrase poll tax I want to post a link to Tom Lehrer but don't want to offend my southern friends

Pete

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by merrylander

No but if it costs $8.50 to vote yes that's a bloody poll tax.

It's $25 for a state issued picture ID in Florida.

And if you move, which poor people do often, it's $25 each time you change your address.

http://www.dmv.org/fl-florida/change-address.php

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I find it interesting that straight ticket voting affects the Dems more.

A state ID in Ohio costs $8.50.

Pete

It doesn't matter if it's five cents Pete. It is still a poll tax to require someone to pay any amount to vote.

[donquixote99]

If you get into the small print on the FL Voter Registration form, it turns out there are alternatives to the $25.00 ID for registration:

Identification (ID) Requirements: New applicants must provide a current and valid Florida driver’s license number
(FL DL#) or Florida identification card number (FL ID#). If you do not have a FL DL# or FL ID#, then you must provide
the last four digits of your Social Security number (SSN). If you do not have any of these numbers, check “None.” If
you leave the field and box blank, your new registration may be denied. See section 97.053(6), Fla.Stat.
Special ID requirements: If you are registering by mail, have never voted in Florida, and have never been issued one
of the ID numbers above, include one of the following with your application, or at a later time before you vote: 1) A
copy of an ID that shows your name and photo (acceptable IDs--U.S. Passport, debit or credit card, military ID,
student ID, retirement center ID, neighborhood association ID, or public assistance ID); or 2) A copy of an ID that
shows your name and current residence address (acceptable documents--utility bill, bank statement, government
check, paycheck, or other government document).
The special ID is not required if you are 65 or older, have a temporary or permanent physical disability, are a member
of the active uniformed services or merchant marine who is absent from the county for active duty, or a spouse or
dependent thereof, or are currently living outside the U.S. but otherwise eligible to vote in Florida.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/pdf/webappform.pdf

Just an SSN does it, or 'special ID can include things like a 'neighborhood association ID' or a utility bill.

The other ID requirement is what you have to show when you actually go to the polls to vote. Here's the official source on that:

When you go to the polling place to vote, you will be asked to provide a current and valid picture identification with a signature. Approved forms of picture identification are: Florida driver's license; Florida identification card issued by the Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles; United States passport; debit or credit card; military identification; student identification; retirement center identification; neighborhood association identification; and public assistance identification. (Section 101.043, F.S.) If the picture identification does not contain a signature, you will be asked to provide an additional identification with your signature.

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/gen-faq.shtml

Nothing about exceptions for over-65 and stuff here, but there are alternatives to the state-issued ID (highlighted). Also seems a debit/credit card and a utility bill together might do the trick...or is that a trick? I'm not familiar with debit/credit cards that are 'picture id's,' and the requirement is for 'picture id.'

Still, it's making people read the fine print and figure out how to comply. It will weed out some, WHICH IS THE WHOLE IDEA.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I didn't know that Rob. How did people prove identity?

John it's to prevent welfare fraud. And yes, I know why Every time I see the phrase poll tax I want to post a link to Tom Lehrer but don't want to offend my southern friends

Pete

Utility bill, bank statement, testimony of someone such as doctor or clergyman. I recently had my doctor testify that I was alive and of sound mind for the folks back home.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Utility bill, bank statement, testimony of someone such as doctor or clergyman. I recently had my doctor testify that I was alive and of sound mind for the folks back home.

Did you bribe him?

Pete

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

If you get into the small print on the FL Voter Registration form, it turns out there are alternatives to the $25.00 ID for registration:


http://election.dos.state.fl.us/pdf/webappform.pdf

Just an SSN does it, or 'special ID can include things like a 'neighborhood association ID' or a utility bill.

The other ID requirement is what you have to show when you actually go to the polls to vote. Here's the official source on that:


http://election.dos.state.fl.us/gen-faq.shtml

Nothing about exceptions for over-65 and stuff here, but there are alternatives to the state-issued ID (highlighted). Also seems a debit/credit card and a utility bill together might do the trick...or is that a trick? I'm not familiar with debit/credit cards that are 'picture id's,' and the requirement is for 'picture id.'

Still, it's making people read the fine print and figure out how to comply. It will weed out some, WHICH IS THE WHOLE IDEA.

I don't know about any of this Don.

Everytime I go to vote they ask for my drivers license.

Maybe there are ways around that.

We did manage to go for Obama both in 2008 and 2012, although by very narrow margins.

Unfortunately this seems to be the only time the poor and minorities show up.

That's why we have a right wing state legislature and governor.

The governor's race is during national midterms.