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03-15-2014, 01:12 PM
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The part that amuses me is the sheer hypocrisy of Zuckerman at facebook complaining when facebook collects more info on its users than NSA ever imagined.
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Zuckerberg doesn't like losing control of a revenue stream.
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03-15-2014, 02:35 PM
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I do a Zaba search to get my brother's address. Fastest way to look it up.
If I Google my address, picture of our house show up.
When I joined this forum, some personal details about me were published here, info obtained from the web based on my campaign contributions.
What privacy?
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03-16-2014, 02:22 AM
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Privacy is one of the American's greatest goods - please correct me if I am wrong - security is another one, so a willingness to compromise is unavoidable what depends on the NSA, the fact that not only the NSA killed our privacy is another thing we simply have to accept.
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03-16-2014, 07:25 AM
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Privacy is one of the American's greatest goods - please correct me if I am wrong - security is another one, so a willingness to compromise is unavoidable what depends on the NSA, the fact that not only the NSA killed our privacy is another thing we simply have to accept.
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What privacy? Everything that we do is on record somewhere. I get solicitations in the effing mail every day regarding things which no one else should knwo but they do. Chris everything a citizen here does that involves finances or government is recorded and any jackass who wants to has access to those records. Why else do you think that outfits like Peoplesmart exist and profit?
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03-16-2014, 09:03 AM
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What privacy? Everything that we do is on record somewhere. I get solicitations in the effing mail every day regarding things which no one else should knwo but they do. Chris everything a citizen here does that involves finances or government is recorded and any jackass who wants to has access to those records. Why else do you think that outfits like Peoplesmart exist and profit?
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Okay.
One of my friends at AK likes to have a lively pm exchange with me. In the last two years we had an exchange of more than 100 Emails. Recently he told me that he would travel to his sister for a weekend or so. I replied to him and told him about this and that like always and finished this way: "Greetings to your sister. What's the name of your sister?" He answerd: "I don't think my sister would like giving her name out. I am sure you understand that."
No. Absolutely not. Hey - I just ask for her first name, nothing else. I was so confused. So I asked my very best friend Don who is familar with that AK member. He wrote to me: "Concerning his comment, you just have to trust his wish on not revealing his sister's name. For whatever reason he wanted to keep that private and I would respect it. For a lot people, keeping their privacy is a big thing until they get to know you and become friends."
So I am a stranger, still a stranger, after some 100 Emails with partly very intimate content on both sides?
You Americans are so mysterious.
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03-16-2014, 09:16 AM
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Okay.
One of my friends at AK likes to have a lively pm exchange with me. In the last two years we had an exchange of more than 100 Emails. Recently he told me that he would travel to his sister for a weekend or so. I replied to him and told him about this and that like always and finished this way: "Greetings to your sister. What's the name of your sister?" He answerd: "I don't think my sister would like giving her name out. I am sure you understand that."
No. Absolutely not. Hey - I just ask for her first name, nothing else. I was so confused. So I asked my very best friend Don who is familar with that AK member. He wrote to me: "Concerning his comment, you just have to trust his wish on not revealing his sister's name. For whatever reason he wanted to keep that private and I would respect it. For a lot people, keeping their privacy is a big thing until they get to know you and become friends."
So I am a stranger, still a stranger, after some 100 Emails with partly very intimate content on both sides?
You Americans are so mysterious.
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Well I am not really an American in that sense, but emails on the internet are anything but private, he might have PM'ed her name.
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03-16-2014, 09:58 AM
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I believe the courts will probably decide that bulk collection of data is OK, but that some of the information held in that data may be subject to privacy. As with telephones, the number called, call duration, etc is not private, but the actual conversation is subject to privacy.
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03-16-2014, 10:08 AM
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"Concerning his comment, you just have to trust his wish on not revealing his sister's name. For whatever reason he wanted to keep that private and I would respect it. For a lot people, keeping their privacy is a big thing until they get to know you and become friends."
So I am a stranger, still a stranger, after some 100 Emails with partly very intimate content on both sides?
You Americans are so mysterious.
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Not mysterious. Inexplicable.
HK, don't lose sight of the fact that what you've written here is the explanation of one person's decision by another person. It's probably unwise to put too much store in it, especially as regards that person's feelings toward you.
Another, perhaps more plausible explanation is that your AK friend felt it was unsafe not to tell you his sister's name but to post it on the internet and, thereby, tell "everyone". In light of recent disclosures, this is an understandable (if not entirely justified) concern.
John
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03-16-2014, 12:20 PM
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I believe the courts will probably decide that bulk collection of data is OK, but that some of the information held in that data may be subject to privacy. As with telephones, the number called, call duration, etc is not private, but the actual conversation is subject to privacy.
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If someone was forced to listen to me in conversation with some fucking voice answerig computer in what are usually futile attempts to actually reach a live human being they would quite possibly die laughing.
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03-16-2014, 12:31 PM
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Not mysterious. Inexplicable.
HK, don't lose sight of the fact that what you've written here is the explanation of one person's decision by another person. It's probably unwise to put too much store in it, especially as regards that person's feelings toward you.
Another, perhaps more plausible explanation is that your AK friend felt it was unsafe not to tell you his sister's name but to post it on the internet and, thereby, tell "everyone". In light of recent disclosures, this is an understandable (if not entirely justified) concern.
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Thanks Sir. I am still learning on all levels, or perhaps better: in all realms of life.
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