Betraying Progressives, DNC Platform Backs Fracking, TPP, and Israel Occupation

[donquixote99]

Voting for Trump because Hillary is a 'low bar' is shoving the presidency into a stinking ditch.

And not voting for Hillary is as good as voting for Trump.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Voting for Trump because Hillary is a 'low bar' is shoving the presidency into a stinking ditch.

And not voting for Hillary is as good as voting for Trump.

Rock and a hard spot applies?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Rajoo

Please see my signature line for response.

Rajoo, your signature line describes a dilemma but not a strategy. Of the four likely candidates in the fall, only Trump and Hillary have a chance of winning so those are the choices available to you. The best we can hope for is a Clinton victory and to do anything that would increase the odds of Trump winning the election is about as foolish an act as I can conceive of.

I now think it's about 50/50 that Trump will win unless Hillary is indicted or unless more information emerges revealing her recklessness and irresponsibility as Secretary of State. Then Trump will sail into office. So, I'm going to do what I can consistent with my values to see that that doesn't happen. In other words, I'm going to vote for her and not waste my vote on Jill Stein or some other no-hoper.

[mpholland]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

And not voting for Hillary is as good as voting for Trump.

That game has been being played far too long. If democrats think that me not voting for Hilary is akin to voting for Trump, that's their problem. Give me a candidate worth my vote or find an extra vote to replace mine.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Voting for Trump because Hillary is a 'low bar' is shoving the presidency into a stinking ditch.

And not voting for Hillary is as good as voting for Trump.

There you have it.

[donquixote99]

Those who like Trump will vote for him. If those who don't like him don't vote against him, he can win.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Rajoo, your signature line describes a dilemma but not a strategy. Of the four likely candidates in the fall, only Trump and Hillary have a chance of winning so those are the choices available to you. The best we can hope for is a Clinton victory and to do anything that would increase the odds of Trump winning the election is about as foolish an act as I can conceive of.

I now think it's about 50/50 that Trump will win unless Hillary is indicted or unless more information emerges revealing her recklessness and irresponsibility as Secretary of State. Then Trump will sail into office. So, I'm going to do what I can consistent with my values to see that that doesn't happen. In other words, I'm going to vote for her and not waste my vote on Jill Stein or some other no-hoper.

My sentiments exactly, though I'd say Hillary's chances at the moment are more like 60-40, unless an indictment comes. At that point, things will get so weird, there's no telling.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Voting for Trump because Hillary is a 'low bar' is shoving the presidency into a stinking ditch.

And not voting for Hillary is as good as voting for Trump.

Originally Posted by finnbow

There you have it.

That very much depends on where you live. Conventional wisdom would dictate that Pat and I live in "safe" states, ones that can be counted on to vote for the Democratic candidate. DQ, being in Ohio doesn't have the luxury of making a protest vote since Ohio could go either way.

This year, however, could be different, there are too many highly pissed off voters out there and pissed off voters can do really stupid shit like voting for Trump because Bernie's out. If enough people do stupid shit like that some of these safe states could become very unsafe.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Rajoo, your signature line describes a dilemma but not a strategy. Of the four likely candidates in the fall, only Trump and Hillary have a chance of winning so those are the choices available to you. The best we can hope for is a Clinton victory and to do anything that would increase the odds of Trump winning the election is about as foolish an act as I can conceive of.

I now think it's about 50/50 that Trump will win unless Hillary is indicted or unless more information emerges revealing her recklessness and irresponsibility as Secretary of State. Then Trump will sail into office. So, I'm going to do what I can consistent with my values to see that that doesn't happen. In other words, I'm going to vote for her and not waste my vote on Jill Stein or some other no-hoper.

John, good post and my signature is simply a one line comment on the situation (pickle) we are in. Vote for Hillary is affirming a bad choice. Vote for Trump is inviting disaster. But as you commented, voting for Trump is voting against Hillary, which I would not do. Not voting for either candidate will not hurt Hillary in CA. Or look at the bright side, the DNC may have purged all voters who supported Bernie giving us all an out and a great strategy for Hillary.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I wouldn't say that winning 22 primaries constitutes crashing and burning, especially in the face of his own Party's efforts to defeat him.

And I'm getting pretty tired of all the derision we "Berniacs" have been getting from you and ice, especially when there's nothing of the sort going in your direction I've been pretty hard on Clinton, but not as hard as I could be or want to be, but I have yet to insult, denigrate and ridicule her supporters the way you two have. No wonder so many of Bernie's supporters are planning to vote for Trump and Johnson. You and the Clinton Campaign have made us feel decidedly unwelcome.

If some decidedly mild criticism causes you and your cohort to consider voting for a Libertarian or Trump, y'all have some serious soul searching to do, John.

As to Raj shitting on the first AA Democratic president whilst fully cognizant of the most obstructive congress since the 1850s? Frack him, too.