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#181
08-20-2010, 11:16 AM
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"9/11 is a reaction to action the U.S. has taken in the past"
Pete
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#182
08-20-2010, 11:28 AM
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The Iman (and Beck) didn't say was that 9/11 was an appropriate and justifiable reaction - it wasn't. They simply said it was a reaction - duh!!! Similarly, Pearl Harbor was a reaction by the Japanese to our efforts to prevent them from getting natural resources from southeast Asia. It wasn't an appropriate reaction IMHO, but a reaction nonetheless.
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#184
08-20-2010, 12:53 PM
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We are on the same page then
 Pete
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#185
08-20-2010, 12:55 PM
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Pete
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#186
08-20-2010, 01:05 PM
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What they did was wrong. Why they did it was wrong. It is not our fault. Okay, look. Say a guy vandalizes my car. They catch him later and he says "He had it coming. He shouldn't have cut me off in traffic last week." Dude is guilty. I'm a victim. Say later that week my wife says to a friend, "yeah, a guy vandalized Ed's car 'cause he cut him off." That doesn't mean she thinks the guy is right or that I'm responsible for his crime. Talking about the motives of the 9/11 attackers isn't the same thing as saying what they did was justified or we are to blame. I know what they did. I more or less understand why they did it. I think they were wrong (duh) and their actions were criminal. There's no inconsistency in that thought. Just like when a kid on the playground gets teased. Push him enough he might deck someone. Teacher is still going to tell him "that's no way to deal with the problem". Same thing. OBL is a kid on the playground who thinks he's been pushed around. So he did something about it. He's wrong and they should send him to the Principal's office. This isn't hard to understand Pete. I think you're trying to twist it intentionally. I won't postulate as to your motives for doing this for fear that it will somehow make me complicit in your scheme.
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#187
08-20-2010, 01:18 PM
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'We are on the same page then" was directed at you Sir, but I'm a slow poster sometimes
 I like the way we're the big bad bully who had it coming though. Pete
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#188
08-20-2010, 01:40 PM
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However, I think there is a greater danger in thinking that we've always been seen as a benign or benevolent presence throughout the Mideast regardless of past actions/policies. The alternative is to believe that 19 guys without any perceived grievances simply dropped out of the sky on that September morning. As much as it hurt to see Muslims in various countries dancing in the street after 9/11, they had reasons for doing so (in their own minds). All I'm saying is that it is helpful, perhaps even essential, to understand what their grievances (just or unjust) are in putting together a military, diplomatic, or public policy response. Doing otherwise is simply shooting ourselves in the foot (as we did in Iraq and may be doing again in the case of this mosque). As a country, ignorance and jingoism will only get us so far.
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#189
08-20-2010, 01:40 PM
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Lets suggest this outlook. Bin-Laden didn't need any provocation from the US to take violent action against the US and it's people. However, some actions by the US made it easier for him to recruit fanatics who would act upon his distortions about the nature of the Great Satan America.
Regards, D-Ray
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#190
08-20-2010, 01:46 PM
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