The Affordable Care Act

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The BATF and Ann Richardson, (especially the BATF), deserve great blame for the needless, lawless, tactically-brainless, initial, botched, PR-stunt raid.

The FBI deserves great blame for the needless final assault. They didn't like the duty of watching the joint until they starved them out? Tough.

With all this great load of blame apportioned already, there is little enough left for David and the Davidians. If they started their own fire, they had the laws playing the forces of evil so convincingly that there was little chance left for their always-limited rationality to somehow rescue them.

Janet Reno doubtless bears some responsibility in this whole mess, but not enough to make her the central hate figure, as far as I know....

The Branch Davidians were only culpable for their decision to associate with this group, which should not have been a Capitol offense. Otherwise this cascading grandstanding of departmental overreach was both tragic and inexplicable to anything other than interdepartmental hubris. The subsequent lack of accountability was alarming but typical for poor oversight and cooperation.

[Pio1980]

Is affordable basic health care such a revolutionary concept, or, as a country that considers itself "socially advanced" if not superior, why does it appear that some consider basic health care a privilege rather than a right. Do we not take care of our own instead of grinding everything we can get from the defenseless/resource-less and then casting them aside as useless? There is nothing "advanced" about that.
Single payer/full-participation basic health care didn't make the cut because IMO the insurance companies couldn't make a killing off it, their whining re "Obamacare" is therefore akin to begging not to be thrown into the briar patch.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Is affordable basic health care such a revolutionary concept, or, as a country that considers itself "socially advanced" if not superior, why does it appear that some consider basic health care a privilege rather than a right. Do we not take care of our own instead of grinding everything we can get from the defenseless/resource-less and then casting them aside as useless? There is nothing "advanced" about that.
Single payer/full-participation basic health care didn't make the cut because IMO the insurance companies couldn't make a killing off it, their whining re "Obamacare" is therefore akin to begging not to be thrown into the briar patch.

Well put Steve.

[bobabode]

Back on topic...

Looks like there is logjam forming because of last minute shoppers. At least if someone starts the process by the 1st, they'll have until the 15th to complete it. Reaching seven million is looking good.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...#axzz2xOEo5SUA

[bobabode]

Any questions?

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Any questions?

Libertarians and the Tea Party crowd think we can pay for infrastructure and services with a lemonade and cookies stand in front of the White House or somesuch other "free-market" solution.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Libertarians and the Tea Party crowd think we can pay for infrastructure and services with a lemonade and cookies stand in front of the White House or somesuch other "free-market" solution.

True that. This country hasn't seen the likes of these since the 'Know Nothing Party' in the early 19th century.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Libertarians and the Tea Party crowd think we can pay for infrastructure and services with a lemonade and cookies stand in front of the White House or somesuch other "free-market" solution.

HA, our Son called last night to give us the results of his recent visit to the Ottawa Heart Institue (Look it up sometime) they gave him an echocardiogram Wednesday, he saw his doctor David Birnie head of cardiology Friday and the first words he heard was that things had imoroved better than expected and he is so improved that he wont need to see him for six months. This is the sort of treatment you can expect in a civilized country with universal healthcare. This and the ten days in hospital earlier for all the tests cost $0,00.

So when in hell are y'all going to wake up?

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ha ha ha Another crash of the website. LMAO

[Pio1980]

God forbid any system that can't be gamed for profit be instituted in the good ol' U-S-of-A to keep our own from having to endure or succumbing to something treatable. Why, it goes against all of our Puritan Henny-Penny principles of "I've got mine, screw you".
Unfortunately this Affordable Care Act isn't quite all that, being second-best after single-payer/ full-participation basic universal health care was rejected. Still it's better than the other alternative of none or Republican vaporware consisting of crickets and tumbleweeds..