mosque near ground zero ? - Page 14

finnbow · #**131** 08-18-2010, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

And the folks behind Media Matters and Moveon.org donate to the Democrats. It all balances out in the end, eh?

I see your point, but am not so sure I agree that they are comparable. Media Matters and Moveon.org are clearly advocacy groups and not a "news network" on the TeeVee. Moveon.org, to my knowledge, does not advertise themselves as "fair and balanced," and go on to imply that they report the news objectively, so that you can decide what your views are ("we report, you decide"). All I'm saying is that probably the biggest news channel on TeeVee isn't a news channel at all, but a thinly veiled proxy for the RNC and the GOP spin-machine.

My biggest bitch with Fox News is their deliberate attempts to manipulate or even manufacture the "news" in favor of the GOP. Granted, CBS ran a Bush draft-dodging story based on a counterfeit document, but showed journalistic ethics by shit-canning Dan Rather as a result of it (even though the underlying story was likely true, i.e., Dubya got favorable treatment to avoid real (dangerous) military service). BTW, I'm no fan of CBS News either or all the other dumbed-down TV news. Shouldn't Fox respond in kind and shit-can anybody who showed Obama's fake Kenya birth certificate on the air?

Bottom line - Fox News simply has NO journalistic standards/ethics and they are a disgraceful example of a "news organization" - plain and simple.

Should government do anything about it (or the mosque)? The First Amendment says no and I agree. As for Fox, however, they need to be exposed and humiliated for being the GOP shill that they really are and ignored by all other media outlets when they try to manufacture stories. The other media outlets are compounding the disservice that Fox does to the nation by becoming their echo chamber.

d-ray657 · #**132** 08-18-2010, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

To be clear, I never thought that this was a left versus right issue. I also think that this is a "trap" issue for those who want to consider the issue in purely constututional terms. The government has a duty to intervene when public interests are at stake, as they intervene to control and regulate other freedoms such as the right to assemble and freedom of religion.

To demonstrate, consider the "fix" which appears to be on the table. Is this a matter of protecting he public interest, or is this a further twisting of the consititution, as in the government intervening in matters of faith?

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/...ue-compromise/

For the state to offer public property to build a mosque, a church, a synagogue, or a temple is to violate the Constitution. That would amount to excessive entanglement between church and state. It would be a similar violation for the state to stop construction of the cultural center because ground zero is "holy ground." It is not up to the government to determine whether any piece of land is holy damned or satanic. That is a spiritual matter outside the authority of any government.

Regards,

D-Ray

Boreas · #**133** 08-18-2010, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

And the folks behind Media Matters and Moveon.org donate to the Democrats. It all balances out in the end, eh?

They're 527s. They're advocacy organizations. That's what they do. Newscorp (Fox) is supposed to be a news organization. There's a difference, or supposed to be.

John

piece-itpete · #**134** 08-18-2010, 10:34 AM

Kinda. I see Koch understands why some would be upset.

If the government sells them the land that would be fine imo.

Pete

merrylander · #**135** 08-18-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStreak

According to Hannity it's only 600 feet. Motherfu**er must have huge feet.

Dave

I would not be able to tell unless he takes them out of his mouth.

finnbow · #**136** 08-18-2010, 11:02 AM

Kathleen Parker nails it yet again.

Has she become the sole remaining thinking man's conservative op-ed writer now that George Will and Krauthammer have donned their Wingnut cheerleader's outfits? Or has she actually bailed from the GOP and left them without a rational voice?

whell · #**137** 08-18-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by finnbow

FYI, I just heard that Murdoch's Newscorp just donated $1 million to the Republican Governors Association. Fair and balanced news journalism, indeed.

As Paul Harvey would say, "Here's the rest of the story."

http://www.allyourtv.com/index.php?o...=1:latest-news

Like I said, it all balances out in the end.

merrylander · #**138** 08-18-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

As Paul Harvey would say, "Here's the rest of the story."

http://www.allyourtv.com/index.php?o...=1:latest-news

Like I said, it all balances out in the end.

At $1,000,000 on one end of the seesaw and $440,000 on t'other, that's some balance.

Boreas · #**139** 08-18-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by whell

And the folks behind Media Matters and Moveon.org donate to the Democrats. It all balances out in the end, eh?

You understand, of course, you just acknowledged that, like Media Matters and MoveOn, Fox News is an advocacy organization. That's the point many of us are trying to make. The difference is that MoveOn and Media Matters are "527s". They don't pretend to be something other than what they are.

John

BlueStreak · #**140** 08-18-2010, 12:04 PM

If you can't watch Fox for more than thirty seconds and figure out what their deal is, then you have problems no brain surgeon can help you with. That has to be the worst asskissing organization on the entire planet. "TASS" couldn't have sucked up to a specific political party more ardently than Fox does. "Fair and Balanced"? Spare me.

Dave

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegra...e_Soviet_Union