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11-08-2016, 11:34 PM
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We are on the verge of making a populist demagogue POTUS.
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11-08-2016, 11:46 PM
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With the leads Trump has in WI and AZ he wins with a victory in MI or PA. He's held a steady 1 point lead in MI for some time now and his PA lead just hit 1 full point.
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11-08-2016, 11:48 PM
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I have to say I am very impressed with the american people. They voted way beyond the establishments expectations. I think this is a pretty clear message. Maybe our country will be retaken by the people..........
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11-08-2016, 11:59 PM
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I have to say I am very impressed with the american people. They voted way beyond the establishments expectations. I think this is a pretty clear message. Maybe our country will be retaken by the people..........
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What do you realistically expect a people stupid enough to elect a person like Trump to do with the country? How much control over the direction of the country do you expect an authoritarian like Trump to allow the people to exercise.
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11-09-2016, 02:24 AM
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What do you realistically expect a people stupid enough to elect a person like Trump to do with the country? How much control over the direction of the country do you expect an authoritarian like Trump to allow the people to exercise.
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First of all, even though I agree with you that Trump is loathsome to say the least, calling the other side of the aisle stupid is not quite right. Least ways, not for me. I have to believe that other people have perspectives that are valid, even if different than my own. In this case it takes a lot of faith to hold that belief. If nothing else, out of respect for other others I must act in this manner.
As to what do I expect the American people to do, they just did it. They told Washington you don't listen to us. They thought Hillary had this wrapped up and didn't. Maybe they will take a step back and listen better.
Bottom line, I have to find a way to try and remain optomistic.
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11-08-2016, 11:52 PM
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That opportunity was blown when Sanders lost. Trump's a con-man and an ego-maniac who has no place in the White House. This is coming from someone who despises Clinton fyi.
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11-08-2016, 11:54 PM
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I'm glad somebody sees a way to be optimistic. I expect disaster if we're lucky.
Hope all you Hillary haters just love what you're going to get.
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11-08-2016, 11:59 PM
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I've recognized the likelihood of this for a long time and have been saying so since the beginning of the campaign, much to the consternation of some of our most fervent Clintonistas. Hillary was too flawed and damaged a candidate. The attacks that undermined her campaign were all too predictable as was their effectiveness
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I completely agree with you, and you may or may not recall I predicted the same thing here once Bernie lost, but with the more recent developments regarding Trump, I really thought Clinton had it in the bag. I cannot believe Trump took Florida, and it looks like he's winning AZ, among all the others...
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Hope all you Hillary haters just love what you're going to get.
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I don't actually hate Clinton, but I think she represents just about the worst of what our government has become, in many ways. For what it's worth, I feel sick that Trump might win.
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11-09-2016, 12:07 AM
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I don't actually hate Clinton, but I think she represents just about the worst of what our government has become, in many ways. For what it's worth, I feel sick that Trump might win.
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I not only agree with you but may I add 'sicker with a Trump win'. My wife is absolutely livid (like it's my fault) and daughter is petrified, though she may not have voted for Hillary. She knows that in CA her vote does not mean much.
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11-09-2016, 12:02 AM
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I'm glad somebody sees a way to be optimistic. I expect disaster if we're lucky.
Hope all you Hillary haters just love what you're going to get.
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That is a cheap shot unbecoming of you, maybe you have been a closet Hillarybot all along. When it comes to voters, maybe they don't like cheating.
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