Obamacare Mandate May Be Delayed

[bobabode]

It sure seems like a lot of people have forgotten that the full name of this new law is the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. Patient protection is achieved by eliminating junk insurance policies. It means that you won't have to go bankrupt and sell your home if you have a major illness or a debilitating accident.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by ohbummer

If you think you are right, why not just pay for it yourself.


Instead of being jealous of what other hard working individuals have done for themselves and their families, get off your food stamps and get a real job and pay for your own instead of EXPECTING the hard working to take care of you because you are unwilling to do it yourself.

Wanting health care for all isn't down to 'jealosy.' That is just conservative cant used to say that your opponents have bad character. In other words, an ad hominum argument.

I suspect we disagree at a level of basic philosophy. What is the purpose of society, in your view? What makes a society 'better' or 'worse?'

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Wanting health care for all isn't down to 'jealosy.' That is just conservative cant used to say that your opponents have bad character. In other words, an ad hominum argument.

I suspect we disagree at a level of basic philosophy. What is the purpose of society, in your view? What makes a society 'better' or 'worse?'

There you go, trying to be a credit to the forum or something by responding in a civilized and thoughtful manner.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Oerets]

Last night while trying to watch the game my TP BrotherNlaw kept calling about the ACA. First the hearings then it moved onto Unions. Seems some channel must of been churning the $hit about the delay or exemptions in unions and the ACA. Could not get it through his thick skull that Unions have negotiated benefits, better then the ACA offer would be my guess. But like I stated more then once can we talk tomorrow after the game......

Face it the ACA is in the beginning innings of the implementation . Wait until it is allowed to get sorted out. It should never be like hitting the lottery having good insurance tied to your employer. Working hard has nothing to do with insurance. Some of the hardest working people I know work for themselves. They have some of the most expensive insurance I know of. Get the high deductible out of necessity.



Barney

[whell]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Last night while trying to watch the game my TP BrotherNlaw kept calling about the ACA. First the hearings then it moved onto Unions. Seems some channel must of been churning the $hit about the delay or exemptions in unions and the ACA. Could not get it through his thick skull that Unions have negotiated benefits, better then the ACA offer would be my guess. But like I stated more then once can we talk tomorrow after the game......

Barney

I think both of you may not be quite right about this. Several Taft-Hartley multi-employer health and welfare plans sought and received waivers to PPACA because their plans didn't meet the minimum requirement of the law that were phased in between 2010 and 2013. However, those waivers were granted only through 2013, and the union must start to comply after 1/1/2014 (or possibly the first plan year thereafter).

Unions also sought for their multi-employer plans, and were denied, access to the premium subsidies afforded to individuals not covered under group health plans. If that had been granted, it would have made those plans very affordable for union employees, and possibly attractive to employers that had previously not been open to having their workforce organized, since they could then offload the cost of health insurance to a union plan in a very cost effective way. However, they are group health plans, and under the law, individuals covered under such plans are not eligible for subsidies.

However, I suspect this isn't over. The administration has suggested that if unions convert their multi-employer plans into "private exchanges", there may be a way leverage the exchange model to grant subsidies to members, though that may create some new tax consequences for the unions.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

One question.

Tell me how you "know" Bob is on food stamps, unemployed and unwilling to support himself?

Dave

He's a Dem?



Couldn't pass it up. Howdy Obum!

Pete

[icenine]

I also heard the media is sort of misrepresenting these cancellations. They do not mention that the consumer has a choice on what policies to choose....the examples shown on TV tend to be what the insurance company wants them to buy... but not all of the policies available to them. In other words the person who loses their $50 dollar a month policy does not have to buy the $900 a month policy the insurance company wants them to....there are cheaper plans on the exchanges available.

[ohbummer]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Oh really? Where did you get these crazy ideas? Cute name by the way.

Of course you think it is crazy. You are from Califorskin and have spent all your money and now you need to spend everyone elses. Almost everyone in your state is fiscally irresponsible and think credit is a right.

Maybe Califorskin should secede and become their own country and figure out how to get out of the mess they are in on their own.

MY name is a reflection of the feeling I get from our current head liar of our country.

[piece-itpete]

What beacon of financial sensibility are you from?

Pete

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by ohbummer

Of course you think it is crazy. You are from Califorskin and have spent all your money and now you need to spend everyone elses. Almost everyone in your state is fiscally irresponsible and think credit is a right.

Maybe Califorskin should secede and become their own country and figure out how to get out of the mess they are in on their own.

MY name is a reflection of the feeling I get from our current head liar of our country.

Ridiculous broad-brush attack on 'Californians.' What pea-pickin' state might you be from?