'Large Group Of Armed Militia Members Take Over Federal Building'

[Oerets]

We are in a nation that uses courts to settle disputes, not one in which an armed group of citizens using intimidation and the implied violence are allowed.

Where is the outrage to the illegal act upon all of our land by those who feel it is their own property to do with as they want? With no questions, I see them acting as being "entitled" to the land just because they have a history of using public lands.

Locals are upset because of the loss of revenue. People having to move away for jobs. This is due because of no longer allowing the easy access to the natural resources for private profit. Some feel (entitled) if it is there it should be grazed, mined, clearcut just exploited RIGHT NOW! No thoughts of future generations or sustainability.

Personally I think the arsonist got off easy.

Barney

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Where is the outrage to the illegal act upon all of our land by those who feel it is their own property to do with as they want? With no questions, I see them acting as being "entitled" to the land just because they have a history of using public lands.

Locals are upset because of the loss of revenue. People having to move away for jobs. This is due because of no longer allowing the easy access to the natural resources for private profit. Some feel (entitled) if it is there it should be grazed, mined, clearcut just exploited RIGHT NOW! No thoughts of future generations or sustainability.

+1

Isn't it ironic that these anti-federal government douche-bags are up in arms because they are being weaned off of the Federal government welfare program that allowed them to exploit the public domain?

[catswiththum]

After reading this thread I decided to do some digging - although having no real bearing on the issue at hand (meaning any and all sides can cherry pick some info), I found the article below informative and a helpful jump off spot for further reading.

In particular, I was unaware of the amount of land owned by the Fed. gov. in several States - see tables on pages 3 and 4.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

After reading this thread I decided to do some digging - although having no real bearing on the issue at hand (meaning any and all sides can cherry pick some info), I found the article below informative and a helpful jump off spot for further reading.

In particular, I was unaware of the amount of land owned by the Fed. gov. in several States - see tables on pages 3 and 4.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42346.pdf

The federal land is mainly arid. Some is forests.

Arid country is mostly a mass of useless space, with roads connecting the places with water. The fact that the useless space adds up to a great amount of some states is just how it is. What use can be made of it has to be regulated somehow. If you have a better idea than how it's done, get a law passed.

[catswiththum]

Calm down there, buckwheat - I found it interesting. After I read a little more maybe I will have enough info to decide what I think about the policies.

[Tom Joad]

http://www.aim.org/wls/dont-believe-...vate-property/

“The two big mistakes [are] the belief . . . that there’s a man in the sky with ten things he doesn’t want you to do and you’ll burn for a long time if you do them . . . and private property, which I think is at the core of our failure as a species.”

George Carlin

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by catswiththum

Calm down there, buckwheat - I found it interesting. After I read a little more maybe I will have enough info to decide what I think about the policies.

Sorry, wasn't meaning to grouse at you so much, 'get a law passed' should be considered to be addressed to Bundy and friends.

[catswiththum]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Sorry, wasn't meaning to grouse at you so much, 'get a law passed' should be considered to be addressed to Bundy and friends.

Roger that.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

http://www.aim.org/wls/dont-believe-...vate-property/



George Carlin

Carlin was mostly right. We haven't failed as a species but as a culture.

For most of human history, private property was limited to what we carried around with us: our clothing, our spear, our personal adornments, etc. Nothing else was owned personally and nothing at all was owned collectively, only used cooperatively.

In other words, the entire natural world was "the commons", given to all, used by all, preserved by all. Things started circling the drain when the first guy or first group decided that it would be really cool if he/they got exclusive control of something everyone needed.

[sheltiedave]

The Bundy kids, who are at the forefront of this armed insurrection opposing the federal government, definitely are all about not paying the Feds what they are due from grazing rights fees. Over half of the armed militia where at the Bundy ranch, as well as in Oregon now.

Every one of the armed occupiers of these federal facilities is breaking federal laws. How many of them have concealed carry, open carry, carry across state lines, and Oregon carry and/or Oregon hunting licenses, and in season?

Any protester in Ferguson who had a weapon and actively targeted a police officer would have been shot on site. They would arrest anyone who was protesting and stepped off a sidewalk, or stopped walking for more than twenty seconds. They arrested over twenty journalists in a two week period in Frrguson.

This "protest" is a bleeping love in, because they are white. No arrests, no tear gas, no law enforcement. What a joke!