The Affordable Care Act

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Deficit reduction is not neccessarily lower heath care costs for us.

Pete

That's true. Coburn's plan reduced the deficit further because it would cost the taxpayer more.

[piece-itpete]

Medicare and Medicaid reduction is code for sluffing off costs onto doctors, which ultimately means us.

Pete

[bobabode]

So, why do it Pete?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

Definitely agree with the funding being absurd. And now the next push to hysterical with ACA. Even the name is an oxymoron when something is unsustainable.

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

What I mean to show is, it's not all bad by a long shot. Our research abilities are fearsome. There are many reasons we have some issues and the system is not 100% to blame. Are we going to force poor people to go to doctors? How do we get young women to go to their prenatal appointments and childs followup appointments? Can we get stubborn old people to go to the doctor? How does the ACA fix this?

From what I can see the ONLY thing the ACA does is shift the burden from employers to private citizens. Which btw I think is probably a good thing but does nothing for quality of care. Time will tell. I hope you're right.

Pete

The push, by employers, to transfer more cost burden to the employees is nothing new. That's been on for years. I fail to see how employers forcing cost onto workers is any more palatable to anyone than the government doing it. Six of one, half dozen of the other to my mind.

It's always been my position that our healthcare should never have been in the hands of our employers to begin with.

I suspect we may even agree on that point.

Where we diverge is in my belief that access to healthcare should be a basic human right, not a privilege, based on personal wealth and employment status.

The only way to do that is going to be redistributive, no matter how you slice it. Also, I would like to state that I do not find private charity to be any more inherently trustworthy or effective than any government program. There have been some good examples, Shriners, St. Judes,....sure. But, there have also been some pretty ugly debacles as well.......United Way, anyone?

The burden of providing birth to death healthcare for 300,000,000+ Americans would be far greater than any charity could bear.

Dave

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Do you know who that woman is? Here's a clue - open sesame.

So she has nothing to do with me. But has all to do with you labeling others.
I really am center but perhaps I look so far right in your eyes for another reason.

Maybe you slipped a little farther left?
I really don't care if you have two left shoes. Thats your prerogative to live your life the way you want. That said it's my prerogative to have my views as well. I try not to fit in some convenient mold arranged by others. It's just me and how I feel and I'm sure there is things we agree on.

I think we can agree that Ayn Rand is ugly! lol

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bobabode

So, why do it Pete?

Think of the money it saves us, Bob!

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

So she has nothing to do with me. But has all to do with you labeling others.
I really am center but perhaps I look so far right in your eyes for another reason.

Maybe you slipped a little farther left?
I really don't care if you have two left shoes. Thats your prerogative to live your life the way you want. That said it's my prerogative to have my views as well. I try not to fit in some convenient mold arranged by others. It's just me and how I feel and I'm sure there is things we agree on.

I think we can agree that Ayn Rand is ugly! lol

Okay, so it just you and how you feel, that makes you the Libertarian wingnut we can all see you are, based on the content of your posts.

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by 4-2-7

So she has nothing to do with me. But has all to do with you labeling others.
I really am center but perhaps I look so far right in your eyes for another reason.

Maybe you slipped a little farther left?
I really don't care if you have two left shoes. Thats your prerogative to live your life the way you want. That said it's my prerogative to have my views as well. I try not to fit in some convenient mold arranged by others. It's just me and how I feel and I'm sure there is things we agree on.

I think we can agree that Ayn Rand is ugly! lol

Really? You certainly subscribe to many libertarian points of view, why would you be ashamed to admit it?

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It doesn't say that it destroys jobs. That's more GOP fiction that you've apparently bought into. The CBO director testified just last week that it reduced unemployment by virtue of people now having the freedom to start businesses and/retire and not be locked to their employer. This will increase the demand for labor and thereby reduce unemployment. Even Paul Ryan and McCain have said that this should be an objective of health care reform.

Read this:

http://www.latimes.com/business/hilt...,2101794.story

For a guy who says he's an independent/non-partisan, you sure do buy into a lot of Tea Party fiction from Rand Paul's gold standard to this. I'd recommend you change your reading/viewing habits if you want to come off as well-informed.

Thats is totally why I am independent, My views have not changed in many years. Now Tea Party! lol another label thats newly created from a movement after my views have formed.

As far as my views go on monetary policies that has been learned over the past 7 years. Protection mode kicked in and you would do well to delve into it. I mean really it's the head of the beast that keeps the world a mess in the first place. The Politics are just a distraction by design.

[4-2-7]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Okay, so it just you and how you feel, that makes you the Libertarian wingnut we can all see you are, based on the content of your posts.

Dave

Thank You