Speaker wants to rip PPACA out by the roots

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

How sad for you.

Oh dinna fash yersel laddie, I'm quite happy and clear eyed.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

No, actually, you assume wrong. I'm referring to the boatloads of stimulus money that was paid out to the states to keep all those state unionized employees working.

You mean to keep those agencies and states functioning. The alternative was, what? Chaos and collapse is what. I know, that's an acceptable price to pay if it brings about the destruction of the unions. Same with the auto industry.

Anyway, the money went to the states, not to the unions. As a result, just as in the auto "bailout", American jobs were saved. Some were union jobs and some were not. Some were state jobs and some were not.

Would you have preferred to see the Federal government insert a poison pill into the stimulus that required the states bust the public sector unions as a precondition for receiving the money?

That's a rhetorical question.

John

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

So the left hated Bush because he was white? I've heard of liberal guilt but this is rediculous

Pete

The Left hated (hates) Bush for what he did, beginning with, but not limited to, taking office as the result of a coup d'etat, perpetrated by the Republican Party in Florida and abetted by the Supreme Court in the "this doesn't establish a precedent" Bush v. Gore decision.

The Right hates Obama for what he is. There's a difference. The proof can be found in the simple fact that the Right hated Obama before he did anything.

John

[piece-itpete]

Hey, any friend of Ayers & Wright is a friend of mine.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Hey, any friend of Ayers & Wright is a friend of mine.

Pete

The business about Ayers and President Obama being "friends" is pure bullshit. As for Rev. Wright, do you know anything about him beyond a couple of sound bytes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

John

[piece-itpete]

Yeah I know, he sat on the board of Ayer's pet project and didn't even know him. Wright's a moron too.

Anyway, dead horse. Just pointing out that there are many reasons a reasonable person could dislike him. Calling everyone who is not a Democrat racist is at worst baiting, at best sour grapes, nothing more in my book anyway.

Pete

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Yeah I know, he sat on the board of Ayer's pet project and didn't even know him. Wright's a moron too.

Anyway, dead horse. Just pointing out that there are many reasons a reasonable person could dislike him. Calling everyone who is not a Democrat racist is at worst baiting, at best sour grapes, nothing more in my book anyway.

Pete

It was no more Ayers' project than it was President Obama's. Both of them were merely on the board. And nobody's saying they didn't know one another.

And Wright's a moron? You can do better than that, Pete

John

[piece-itpete]

I've read Wright's sermons. Verily, I say, he has already gotten his reward.

Pete

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

You mean to keep those agencies and states functioning. The alternative was, what? Chaos and collapse is what. I know, that's an acceptable price to pay if it brings about the destruction of the unions. Same with the auto industry.

Anyway, the money went to the states, not to the unions. As a result, just as in the auto "bailout", American jobs were saved. Some were union jobs and some were not. Some were state jobs and some were not.

Would you have preferred to see the Federal government insert a poison pill into the stimulus that required the states bust the public sector unions as a precondition for receiving the money?

That's a rhetorical question.

John

From my perspective, at least here in MI, the Granholm bunch kicked the can down the road for years. The stimulus money just postponed for another year the decisions that should have been made to right-size the state government. Instead, federal money, raised from taxes of those who don't reside in Michigan, who didn't cause the intractable issues here and who's tax money should have been spent closer to home, were asked to bail out the state of MI. Folks who reside in other states who were hit just as hard by the recession watched at their tax contributions were "gifted" to states to keep state employees in a paycheck.

Sorry, that's just wrong to me.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

From my perspective, at least here in MI, the Granholm bunch kicked the can down the road for years. The stimulus money just postponed for another year the decisions that should have been made to right-size the state government. Instead, federal money, raised from taxes of those who don't reside in Michigan, who didn't cause the intractable issues here and who's tax money should have been spent closer to home, were asked to bail out the state of MI. Folks who reside in other states who were hit just as hard by the recession watched at their tax contributions were "gifted" to states to keep state employees in a paycheck.

Sorry, that's just wrong to me.

So, Michigan got all of it? Cool!

And I see you've sort of let the union bashing fade into the background.

John