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[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Oppressing the wealthy? Sorry blue, I'm not rich enough to be a Democrat

I don't see why I have to pay for someone else to retire before 65.

Pete

Your side seems to oppose ANYONE (but themselves, of course.) retiring at all. From my point of view. If you have a pension, public, or otherwise, they fight to tear it down. If you make enough to save up for your own retirement, they fight to cut your pay. Even if your struggling to get by on minimum wage and little or no benefits they think your being "given" a "handout". How little is little enough, Pete?

It seems to me that the right-wing mindset is that anyone who attempts to stop working at any point for any reason is just a slacker. Deadweight trying to sneak into "the hammock". (Until it's their turn, of course. They always seem to think they've "earned" everything they have, even when they haven't done any more than anyone else.).....................

I think we should ALL be able to retire at 65, if we choose to do so. Before 65, if we can. I think that by the time the vast majority of us have reached 65, we have done our bit and deserve to enjoy life for a change, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is just a slave driving asshole.

But, that's just me. I'm crazy that way.

And, where did you get this notion that all Dems are rich? And, even if it was true, wouldn't that be "class envy"? I thought all Dems are "welfare collecting scumbags, looking for a handout" Wingnuts accuse them of being "useless, bums, morons, thieves, etc." then turn around and accuse them of being "well heeled intellectual elite".....Which is it??

Is it only "class envy" when Dems say that all Republicans are rich or vice versa? I don't think so. I think the whole notion of "class envy" is ridiculous. Which ever way it goes. I think everyone, rich or poor, are just doing what human beings do----Trying to get "more", or just plain "get by".

I just happen to think it's absurd when people start thinking the answer to every problem is to take from those of us at the bottom, regardless of how you vote, and give to the ones who already have way more than enough.

Watch. After the GOP succeeds in busting the public unions, YOUR taxes STILL won't go down. Bet on it. They don't give a rats ass about you, or me.

If anything ever leads to "Class Warfare" it will be this.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Your side seems to oppose ANYONE (but themselves, of course.) retiring at all.

Once again - I'M not going to be able to retire at 65 - why should I pay someone else to be able to?

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I think we should ALL be able to retire at 65, if we choose to do so. Before 65, if we can. I think that by the time the vast majority of us have reached 65, we have done our bit and deserve to enjoy life for a change, and that anyone who thinks otherwise is just a slave driving asshole.

But, that's just me. I'm crazy that way.

OK you got it. I want to retire. However, I need money to do so. PM me your address and I'll send you my paypal info.

If you don't, you're an evil republican. But wait! The dems have raised the retirement age too.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

And, where did you get this notion that all Dems are rich? And, even if it was true, wouldn't that be "class envy"? I thought all Dems are "welfare collecting scumbags, looking for a handout" Wingnuts accuse them of being "useless, bums, morons, thieves, etc." then turn around and accuse them of being "well heeled intellectual elite".....Which is it??

The Dems in Congress are much more wealthy than the GOP. They're just better at manipulating the poor.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Watch. After the GOP succeeds in busting the public unions, YOUR taxes STILL won't go down. Bet on it. They don't give a rats ass about you, or me.

If anything ever leads to "Class Warfare" it will be this.

Dave

There can't be any real tax cuts, we're too far down the hole already.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Once again - I'M not going to be able to retire at 65 - why should I pay someone else to be able to?
Pete

I don't give a damn if the part of the money I pay in taxes or for product prices goes to employee pensions. Private or Public. I'm glad to see someone has a pension and wish my fellow countrymen hadn't been talked into becoming such insufferable tightwads by Saint Ronnie and the Cheapservative Revolution. Then maybe more of us, maybe even you and I would have something/anything? (Well, I do I have a couple hundred grand in the 401ks----But that's a frigging house of sand built by pirates if there ever was one.)

"I don't have it, so why should anyone else?" That's what got us here.
Everyone wanting to share their misery. After a time, that's all any of us will have.

My favorite years ago was when a coworker told me;

"Why should I buy American? American workers are just greedy and lazy. F**k'em."

To which I replied, "What are YOU, genius?"

Dave

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

"I don't have it, so why should anyone else?" That's what got us here.
Everyone wanting to share their misery. After a time, that's all any of us will have.

Dave

The problem with public unions is that they and politicians have similar interests in the expansion of their power. The politicians offer their pro-union positions in exchange for votes. There is no countervailing interest to halt the endless circle. Unlike private companies where you have opposing interests at the bargaining table, public unions lack this seminal part of just negotiations. The result is that those outside the union are forced to absorb the costs.

The extended problem is the growth and entrenchment of bureaucracies within the government and the attendant poor response that that entails to the interaction with the populace. Where government is involved we find inefficient delivery of products. Consider the the Post Office, DMVs, Fannie and Freddie as prime examples where the check of the marketplace fails to operate. I'll paraphrase Dwight D. Eisenhower: "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the Government-Union complex."

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The Dems in Congress are much more wealthy than the GOP. They're just better at manipulating the poor.

Pete

Exactly, they are much better at manipulating the poor. Consider how the party of the KKK, the democratic party, convinced our black population that they are their friends. Moreover, the democrats are just as entangled, if not more so, with the wealthy. Just look at that idiot Al Gore, who had the same professor, Roger Revelle, that I had, raking in millions off his global warming hysteria. Roger Revelle was one of the first to notice the green house effect and CO2 in the late fifties. Those evil corporations are at least honest about their primary goal, maximize profit, whereas these democratic do-gooders have some ambiguous, unobtainable, feel good goal that changes with each and every exhaled word they utter. Hey, them and their ilk are like a religious cult complete with dogma and an all knowing leader that personifies the movement.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Exactly, they are much better at manipulating the poor. Consider how the party of the KKK, the democratic party, convinced our black population that they are their friends. Moreover, the democrats are just as entangled, if not more so, with the wealthy. Just look at that idiot Al Gore, who had the same professor, Roger Revelle, that I had, raking in millions off his global warming hysteria. Roger Revelle was one of the first to notice the green house effect and CO2 in the late fifties. Those evil corporations are at least honest about their primary goal, maximize profit, whereas these democratic do-gooders have some ambiguous, unobtainable, feel good goal that changes with each and every exhaled word they utter. Hey, them and their ilk are like a religious cult complete with dogma and an all knowing leader that personifies the movement.

The dems policies are geared toward being socially responsible. The GOP supports unbridled greed.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Hey, them and their ilk are like a religious cult complete with dogma and an all knowing leader that personifies the movement.

Pot, kettle, black.

"Them and their ilk"?

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bhunter

Exactly, they are much better at manipulating the poor. Consider how the party of the KKK, the democratic party, convinced our black population that they are their friends. Moreover, the democrats are just as entangled, if not more so, with the wealthy. Just look at that idiot Al Gore, who had the same professor, Roger Revelle, that I had, raking in millions off his global warming hysteria. Roger Revelle was one of the first to notice the green house effect and CO2 in the late fifties. Those evil corporations are at least honest about their primary goal, maximize profit, whereas these democratic do-gooders have some ambiguous, unobtainable, feel good goal that changes with each and every exhaled word they utter. Hey, them and their ilk are like a religious cult complete with dogma and an all knowing leader that personifies the movement.

I don't do drugs. I state this because I believe I'd have to drop about three hits of purple micro dot and eat a few funny mushrooms to makes sense of this post.

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Watch. After the GOP succeeds in busting the public unions, YOUR taxes STILL won't go down. Bet on it.

Actually, as Rob noted, it was the Governor cutting taxes that caused this budget crisis to begin with.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Oppressing the wealthy? Sorry blue, I'm not rich enough to be a Democrat

I don't see why I have to pay for someone else to retire before 65.

Pete

If favorable benefits made the government jobs attractive to the workers, even with less than competitive salaries, that is the deal that both parties accepted, and that the workers earned. It is a debt owed to them for their services. Are you now saying that workers should forgive the debt that is owed to them? It's up to this one group of people to bail out the government from it's financial shortfalls?

Regards,

D-Ray