Barack H. Obama and your Second Amendment Rights !

[piece-itpete]

It's all training. And the fact is, as CCW has increased in Ohio violent crime has gone down. I think, of course.

I have no problem with a law abiding citizen in this free country carrying a gun.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by bobabode

So, what all this boils down to is . Since the slut card didn't fly, the gun card is floated. Hmmmm, I thinks I'm gettin' a whiff o McKeefe in de air.

I think you're on to something. The GOP is playing the gun card again. Sounds about right.

Dave

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

I also don't get how you are that much better having 10 guns than one.

Especially when they're all in a safe, with the ammo locked up in another room.

Hey Erik, watch this.............

Dave

[BlueStreak]

So, when Obama sends the Black Panther Storm Troopers around to kick in your door and rape everyone in the house; Will you be able to fend them off? This is the question you should be asking yourself!

Dave

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

So Please inform us barbara,

Tell us what an expert like you does to protect their families and themselves from criminals !

Bill

Bill, I never claimed to be an expert.

But, what I can tell you from my life experience, is that prevention is the first line of defense.

Now a days there are many gadgets and products that ensure home safety. If your home is hard to access, a burglar will go somewhere else.

I've lived in some of the roughest parts of the country and have been in some precarious situations as well as been the victim of crime. I have also armed myself at times. I found that having a weapon can, and usually does, escalate any given situation.

Context plays an important role in my self protection. When I go to work in the morning and it is still dark out, not so concerned about the street person sleeping on the sidewalk that I walk around, but the couple sashaying down the street as if they are sightseeing is suspect.

If I'm in a rough part of town, I know where I'm going ahead of time so I don't look lost. I walk purposely. ( laugh if you will, but attitude is paramount). I modify what I wear such as jewelry that might be inviting and shoes I can run in. Sometimes I carry an umbrella. (again, you can laugh, but more that once I have successfully defended myself with it).

Bill, protection depends on the situation. There are times when I believe a gun in the hands of a well trained person is appropriate. But not for the average Joe, especially one who thinks a gun is the end all of protection.

[BlueStreak]

Right.

If the intruder has a gun and he sees you reaching for yours, he will likely try to kill you before you have a chance to kill him. There is that narrow window of (your) reaction time for him to get off the first good shot.

However, if his intention is to kill you anyways, I don't believe not having a gun would help you at all either.

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by barbara

Bill, I never claimed to be an expert.

But, what I can tell you from my life experience, is that prevention is the first line of defense.

Now a days there are many gadgets and products that ensue home safety. If your home is hard to access, a burglar will go somewhere else.

I've lived in some of the roughest parts of the country and have been in some precarious situations as well as been the victim of crime. I have also armed myself at times. I found that having a weapon can, and usually does, escalate any given situation.

Context plays an important role in my self protection. When I go to work in the morning and it is still dark out, not so concerned about the street person sleeping on the sidewalk that I walk around, but the couple sashaying down the street as if they are sightseeing is suspect.

If I'm in a rough part of town, I know where I'm going ahead of time so I don't look lost. I walk purposely. ( laugh if you will, but attitude is paramount). I modify what I wear such as jewelry that might be inviting and shoes I can run in. Sometimes I carry an umbrella. (again, you can laugh, but more that once I have successfully defended myself with it).

Bill, protection depends on the situation. There are times when I believe a gun in the hands of a well trained person is appropriate. But not for the average Joe, especially one who thinks a gun is the end all of protection.

+1. I have taught firearms safety, NRA Hunter Safety, and Rifle and Shotgun Shooting merit badge for the Boy Scouts and have taught my 3 kids to shoot and respect firearms. I've belonged to an excellent gun club for 20 years and earned an NRA Distinguished Expert with rimfire rifles years ago. That said, there are precious few people who I'm comfortable around with loaded firearms. I pick my hunting buddies very carefully and am completely anal about safety at the range.

I'm about as experienced and accomplished with firearms as anybody I know and I would be uncomfortable packing heat even if I could (it's not so easy in Maryland, though that may be changing due to a recent court ruling). Probably the single best, safest and experienced shooter I know lives in Virginia and carries a weapon damn near everywhere he goes (it's much easier there). Despite his skills and judgment, I feel better around unarmed friends than him when he's carrying. It's not that I fear him shooting me, but I feel there's much greater downside risk being around a loaded gun in an uncontrolled environment (i.e., away from the range) that there is being unarmed.

[piece-itpete]

I understand what you mean about attitude in bad neighborhoods. I also dress down sometimes.

Here's an interesting fact I dug up at the CDC: in 04 the accidental death rate from firearms in Ohio was .22 per 100,000. In 09, the last year avail, it was .18. CCW goes up, accidental goes down - as well as violent crime.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I understand what you mean about attitude in bad neighborhoods. I also dress down sometimes.

Here's an interesting fact I dug up at the CDC: in 04 the accidental death rate from firearms in Ohio was .22 per 100,000. In 09, the last year avail, it was .18. CCW goes up, accidental goes down - as well as violent crime.

Pete

I live in the 'hood and always dress like a slob, so it's never a problem. It helps if they all think you're crazy, as well.

Dave

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

Which attacks, the armed or unarmed attacks ?

I can also provide you with military attacks in Viet Nam, and Attacks by criminals when I worked for the BATF&E.

Bill

The two you mentioned, Bill. Unless you are saying that you took your family to a firebase? WTF ?