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08-28-2023, 10:43 AM
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Post your source that confirms that he's a "right-wing extremist".
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Law enforcement officials said Monday that Ikeguchi — a resident of Cedar Glen, California — had a history of making posts that were critical of the LGBTQ community and law enforcement on multiple social media platforms, including X, formerly known as Twitter.
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Good enough for me. Will it be good enough for you...of course not, MAGAt.
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08-28-2023, 10:52 AM
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You apparently can't answer a simple question with anything except smear. I'll ask the simple question again (originally asked of Rajoo):
Post your source that confirms that he's a "right-wing extremist".
It's a simple question specific to this crime, and this shooter. It does not require posting articles like the one from the French which is an opinion piece. My simple request asks for a factual citation confirming that the shooter was a "right-wing extremist".
You've said you have trouble reading longer posts so that one-sentence post should have been easy for you.
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I never made a specific assertion related to this shooter. I said "It's hardly an exaggeration to assert that the Far Right is responsible for the vast majority of political violence in this country (and murdering an overtly pro-gay person is indeed political violence)." However, Rajoo in post #6 of this thread, provides the evidence needed to support the assertion that the shooter is a right-wing extremist.
Now, I would like you to provide an answer as to why the Far Right is disproportionately responsible for political violence in this country and why conservative political and religious leaders' rhetoric doesn't try to fight this trend instead of driving it (something that David French, a noted conservative evangelical, asserts).
BTW, researchers (foremost among them Dr. Kathleen Belew of Northwestern University) into the Far Right have concluded that the notion of the "lone wolf" is a contrivance of the conservative movement in order to shield itself from the responsibility for having inspired such actions in support of their greater goals/agenda. This appears to be exactly what you're doing.
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08-28-2023, 12:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whell
You apparently can't answer a simple question with anything except smear. I'll ask the simple question again (originally asked of Rajoo):
Post your source that confirms that he's a "right-wing extremist".
It's a simple question specific to this crime, and this shooter. It does not require posting articles like the one from the French which is an opinion piece. My simple request asks for a factual citation confirming that the shooter was a "right-wing extremist".
You've said you have trouble reading longer posts so that one-sentence post should have been easy for you.
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I don't need to, info is in my Post #6 on this thread.
By the way, why do you think Ikeguchi killed Ms. Carleton?
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08-28-2023, 03:18 PM
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08-28-2023, 07:38 PM
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Good enough for me. Will it be good enough for you...of course not, MAGAt.
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Carlos Santana, who may be further to the left of you, recently made anti LGBTQ comments, and being angry at cops is more of a lefty thing. So your citation proves nothing.
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08-28-2023, 07:48 PM
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I don't need to, info is in my Post #6 on this thread.
By the way, why do you think Ikeguchi killed Ms. Carleton?
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Your post is a great example of the use of the guilt-by-association fallacy. Other than that, it has no relevant info about the shooter.
Any statement about Ikeguchi's motive, including any thoughts I might have, is conjecture. But since you asked, I think the guy was psychologically damaged. His parent's messy divorce may be a factor, and it sounds like he had a lot of anger at his dad. Beyond that, I have no idea.
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08-28-2023, 07:51 PM
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I never made a specific assertion related to this shooter.
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Sure you did, you lying schill.
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Read the David French article I referenced earlier you'll realize why MAGAts' and Evangelicals' overt homophobia is hateful, harmful and breeds violent reactions such as this murder in California (and many others before it). Refusing to acknowledge this connection while they continue to bash the LGBT community gives license and fuel to this violent behavior. Why do you defend such hateful conduct?
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And no one is "bashing the LGBT community". Just because two people or two groups disagree about something, it doesn't mean they're "bashing" each other. And because I disagree with your assessment - based on scant facts - about this shooter's motive doesn't mean I'm defending his actions.
Though I understand why it might be rhetorically inconvenient for you to concede that.
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08-28-2023, 07:53 PM
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Sure you did, you lying schill.
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I was paraphrasing David French's article. Read it and tell me how I misinterpreted what he wrote. Better yet, take it to heart.
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08-28-2023, 07:54 PM
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Carlos Santana, who may be further to the left of you, recently made anti LGBTQ comments, and being angry at cops is more of a lefty thing. So your citation proves nothing.
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Classic 'whataboutism' from this poster. (rolls eyes) Santana quickly walked back and apologized for his remarks.
Meanwhile one of your fellow travelers murdered a mother of nine minding her own damned business at her clothing store over a rainbow flag.
Enough of your sick & deplorable excusing of this murderous rightwingnut. You're one sick puppy, Mike.
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