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#1851
07-20-2022, 05:07 PM
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1. Evidence was found, but deemed to be insufficient, and/or 2. Coordination happened, but not officially done by the campaign, and/or 3. Some sort of cooperation not deemed to be 'coordination' happened, and/or 4. Some motive other than 'influencing the election' was discerned. Your vindication of Trump seems closely-fenced. 
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#1852
07-21-2022, 07:21 AM
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Per Mueller: “Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations...These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General’s recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.” “Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President’s conduct. If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment.” Translation: Trump obstructed justice, but the DOJ's Office of Legal Counsel's policy prevents us from recommending that he be prosecuted for it.
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As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden. Last edited by finnbow; 07-21-2022 at 07:49 AM.
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#1853
07-21-2022, 07:48 AM
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C'mon, gents. There was Mueller's investigation with its very wide mandate, the FBI's investigation, the House and Senate investigations, millions of dollars spent, and thousands of hours of testimony. And now you want to attribute criminal activity and use semantics like "Some sort of cooperation not deemed to be 'coordination' happened", "Evidence was found, but deemed to be insufficient" to support it?
To borrow from Biden: "C'mon man." I suspect you guys are hanging on to this because you have to. Because you got yourself so invested in it, and all the loosely sourced news stories and all the "speaking on condition of anonymity", and all the breathless talking heads on the cable news shows. I get the fact that you can't look at Washington DC and assume that all who work there are pure of motive and of high moral character. In fact, it's safer if you assume the opposite. And I'm also pretty sure that members of both parties have their hand in the cookie jar and are not above using their office for personal gain. That said, all of these investigations turned up nothing relative to "collusion" that stuck to Trump. All of these investigations were conducted by individuals with a strong desire to find evidence of it. As for the "obstruction of justice" claims, I certainly remember that fool Adam Schiff making the rounds on the talk shows stating that evidence of obstruction "is in plain sight" for all to see. Never once even hinted at what he was referring to, and apparently, no one else was looking where he was (which was probably up his own arse). The legal definition of obstruction of justice, unlike Schiff's "claims", is in plain sight. Its not a hard definition to understand. Folks can "allege" obstruction all they want. If the authorities thought certain behavior was actionable, we'd have seen folks prosecuted by now.
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#1854
07-21-2022, 08:01 AM
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Your Dear Leader recognizes full well that being President protected him from the law: When Donald Trump formally declares his 2024 candidacy, he won’t just be running for another term in the White House. He’ll be running away from legal troubles, possible criminal charges, and even the specter of prison time. In recent months, Trump has made clear to associates that the legal protections of occupying the Oval Office are front-of-mind for him... Trump has “spoken about how when you are the president of the United States, it is tough for politically motivated prosecutors to ‘get to you,” says one of the sources, who has discussed the issue with Trump this summer. “He says when [not if] he is president again, a new Republican administration will put a stop to the [Justice Department] investigation that he views as the Biden administration working to hit him with criminal charges — or even put him and his people in prison.”
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As long as the roots are not severed, all will be well in the garden. Last edited by finnbow; 07-21-2022 at 08:29 AM.
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#1856
07-21-2022, 09:28 AM
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#1857
07-21-2022, 10:30 AM
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#1858
07-21-2022, 12:04 PM
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Don't make the mistake of ever thinking he's arguing in good faith. He's playing a game, and the name of the game is 'bash the left.' Period. Last edited by donquixote99; 07-21-2022 at 12:06 PM.
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#1859
07-21-2022, 01:59 PM
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Dear Whell,
A dose of reality. Wake up! Retired generals, admirals in op-ed: Trump’s Jan. 6 actions were ‘dereliction of duty’ https://thehill.com/policy/national-...ction-of-duty/ Quote:
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#1860
07-21-2022, 02:21 PM
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The generals are also smart enough to know Trump incited the riot as part of a seditious conspiracy to overturn the constitutional transfer of power after he lost the election. But they didn't go that far. I guess this is a measured announcement, to hopefully reach some independents and Republicans who can take on this message, but for whom the later is still a bridge too far.
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