I'm not KKK, I just want to preserve my heritage...

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The "Unite the Right" crowed was 100% Trump supporters and they liked him specifically due to his overt racism (in rental properties, Central Park Five, Birtherism, Judge Curiel, equivocation on Neo-Nazis... what else do you need?) What do you like so much about him that allows you to overlook this? His incessant lying? His hair? His misogyny? His corruption? His Neo-Nazi sympathies? His Russian connections? Are your standards for public behavior really that low?

His standards are 'we're always wrong.' By definition. Nothing else. He likes Trump because we don't. The more we don't, the more he will.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Talk about projection, this one takes the cake.

Glad you think so, Bob.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

The "Unite the Right" crowed was 100% Trump supporters and they liked him specifically due to his overt racism (in rental properties, Central Park Five, Birtherism, Judge Curiel, equivocation on Neo-Nazis... what else do you need?)

Right, and Micah Johnson was 100% a leftist, a New Black Panther Supporter and I think the NBP folks made clear they supported Barry in the 2008 election, and that support was honored by Eric Holder. Don't see to many folks around here get their undies in a bunch about that, though you'd be hard pressed to find any evidence that Trump has offered tangible support to the Unite the Right folks.

Originally Posted by finnbow

What do you like so much about him that allows you to overlook this? His incessant lying? His hair? His misogyny? His corruption? His Neo-Nazi sympathies? His Russian connections? Are your standards for public behavior really that low?

I'm not overlooking anything. I fail to understand how the left - who claims to want unity, love, understanding and partnership, believes they can stir the pot with no consequences. Its not the right - nor even mainstream America - that wants Confederate statues removed. But the left thinks that those who disagree with their agenda or their efforts to sanitize history somehow evil.

You don't win hearts and minds with over-the-top acts like this. Why not leave the statue, and if folks want Robert E Lee or whomever to be given "context", install a plaque or signage that provides more info. Instead, you've got politicians giving into mob rule. They're in fear of violence from the Antifa and BLM crowd, so they're trying to get ahead of it by ripping statues down. Its misguided and wrong. And if you're worried that Trump is somehow "emboldening" the far right, I'd submit to you that the far left sees Charlottesville, Berkeley and Sacramento as just as much of an opportunity to up their game.

...and because I believe that folks have the right to peaceably assemble and protest, whether they're Antifa or the Hitler Youth, I'm a racist and a bigot. Because I believe that counter - protesters don't have a legal right to interfere with those protests, I'm a racist and a bigot. Frankly, I think I'd fit in well with the Democrat party of 25 years ago. The current incarnation of the Dems and leftists remind me of the McCarthy-ists of the 1950's with their insatiable desire to stifle debate.

1n 1967, my alma matter Michigan State University hosted prominent Nazi George Lincoln Rockwell for a speech on campus. Why? Because college campuses were - at least at that time - a place where free speech was encouraged and respected. Folks certainly didn't invite him because there was a groundswell of support for Nazis on campus. But, hey, back in '67 it was still OK to expose yourself to a diversity of thought without being offended just because the speaker might be breathing the same air as you.

Fast forward to 2017, this week was denied a speaking engagement at MSU. A statement from MSU said:

"We are promoting a campus of safety and security," Santavicca said. "Violence does not have a place on this campus because these messages of extremism and whatnot are certainly ones to promote violence. And that doesn't have a place on this campus."

Frankly, I don't think it was Spencer that was planning on going there and being violent. I think the school was worried about the "mob veto" that might occur like it did at Berkeley earlier this year.

What's changed between 1967 and 2017? Why were we more tolerant and supportive of free speech in 1967? Hell, in 1967, we weren't even 20 years from VE Day, and its likely that some folks who actually fought against the Nazis would have been on campus at MSU in 1967 to hear Rockwell, and those guys would certainly have a reason to want to go after the guy. So why was there a peaceful outcome in '67, but Richard Spencer (who is an idiot but he's at worst a "Rockwell Lite") is someone who our delicate ears must be protected from?

Sorry, folks. I think we're heading down the wrong road.

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

His standards are 'we're always wrong.' By definition. Nothing else. He likes Trump because we don't. The more we don't, the more he will.

You just don't get it, and you likely never will.

[Chicks]

Originally Posted by whell

You just don't get it, and you likely never will.

Not much to "get". You are still a Trump supporter, meaning you have zero morality. You support a man who refuses to disown nazis, and who thinks they are morally equivalent to decent people who understandably detest nazis. You're a very sad excuse for a human being.

[donquixote99]

You can't tolerate the intolerant. If you try, the intolerant will wipe out tolerance, then where will you be. This isn't me. A big name philosopher, Karl Popper, laid this out, called it The Paradox of Tolerance. You can look it up.

Applies to nazis.

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Originally Posted by whell

... Sorry, folks. I think we're heading down the wrong road.

We're already well down the wrong road and I don't see us getting out of the road's ever deepening rut. What you and others on this site write is an example of what is driving us further down this road and deepening the rut. Both sides of our great political divide are evil as you are trying to point out regarding what that day in Charlottesville was and has become. Thing is, the blues are the lessor of the two evils and I'm not just referencing Charlottesville. They're still evil though.

A pertinent example of evil as used above. In 2016 many voters cast their ballots for the lessor of two evils candidate. Clinton and Trump got many of these votes.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by whell

You just don't get it, and you likely never will.

Please show me where you told a blue they were right without immediately making a point discounting your agreement. And while you're at it, why not explain what it is for the forum.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

You just don't get it, and you likely never will.

Thank God. Whatever "it" is, I want no part of it. Whatever "it" is, I'm also quite certain that your Dear Leader won't deliver it.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Thank God. Whatever "it" is, I want no part of it. Whatever "it" is, I'm also quite certain that your Dear Leader won't deliver it.

Actually, Trump is full of it and he delivers it to the nation with his daily dumps. I hear Metamucil is his favorite drink.