mosque near ground zero ?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

John, we agree!

Anyone remember when the arabs tried to buy into a US port? That was disgraceful too.

Pete

What was disgraceful? Their attempt to invest in the port or our reaction to it? I think our reaction was far more disgraceful.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'm of mixed mind on this. I would have preferred that this whole incident did not occur. That said, the rationale cited in the article for urging the Imam to rescind the "mosque" siting decision (i.e., outrage expressed by large segments of the American population) is a bit problematic. It seems that a right-wing blogger is assisted by Murdoch (NYPost and Fox News) in manufacturing this outrage.

If we as a nation allow the wingnut blogosphere and Murdoch to set public policy by manufacturing outrage, we're in a world of hurt. Murdoch and Fox are a much greater threat to America than this Imam and his cultural center.

I find it ironic that the only people I know that listen to these folks are Democrats, who then are outraged

The port, our reaction to it. How can we bring these folks into the realm of civilized nations if we won't share it with them?

Pete

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

I find it ironic that the only people I know that listen to these folks are Democrats, who then are outraged

The port, our reaction to it. How can we bring these folks into the realm of civilized nations if we won't share it with them?

Pete

what about the teabaggers? aren't they led by Murdock?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

John, we agree!

A fleeting moment of bliss.

Anyone remember when the arabs tried to buy into a US port? That was disgraceful too.

All of 'em?

John

[merrylander]

I am really curious whose money is behind the building.

[piece-itpete]

Brrr. The cold wind of moral relativism.

Pete

[finnbow]

How are Murdoch and Fox a threat to America at all?

FYI, I just heard that Murdoch's Newscorp just donated $1 million to the Republican Governors Association. Fair and balanced news journalism, indeed.

[whell]

Originally Posted by finnbow

FYI, I just heard that Murdoch's Newscorp just donated $1 million to the Republican Governors Association. Fair and balanced news journalism, indeed.

And the folks behind Media Matters and Moveon.org donate to the Democrats. It all balances out in the end, eh?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

And the folks behind Media Matters and Moveon.org donate to the Democrats. It all balances out in the end, eh?

I see your point, but am not so sure I agree that they are comparable. Media Matters and Moveon.org are clearly advocacy groups and not a "news network" on the TeeVee. Moveon.org, to my knowledge, does not advertise themselves as "fair and balanced," and go on to imply that they report the news objectively, so that you can decide what your views are ("we report, you decide"). All I'm saying is that probably the biggest news channel on TeeVee isn't a news channel at all, but a thinly veiled proxy for the RNC and the GOP spin-machine.

My biggest bitch with Fox News is their deliberate attempts to manipulate or even manufacture the "news" in favor of the GOP. Granted, CBS ran a Bush draft-dodging story based on a counterfeit document, but showed journalistic ethics by shit-canning Dan Rather as a result of it (even though the underlying story was likely true, i.e., Dubya got favorable treatment to avoid real (dangerous) military service). BTW, I'm no fan of CBS News either or all the other dumbed-down TV news. Shouldn't Fox respond in kind and shit-can anybody who showed Obama's fake Kenya birth certificate on the air?

Bottom line - Fox News simply has NO journalistic standards/ethics and they are a disgraceful example of a "news organization" - plain and simple.

Should government do anything about it (or the mosque)? The First Amendment says no and I agree. As for Fox, however, they need to be exposed and humiliated for being the GOP shill that they really are and ignored by all other media outlets when they try to manufacture stories. The other media outlets are compounding the disservice that Fox does to the nation by becoming their echo chamber.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

And the folks behind Media Matters and Moveon.org donate to the Democrats. It all balances out in the end, eh?

They're 527s. They're advocacy organizations. That's what they do. Newscorp (Fox) is supposed to be a news organization. There's a difference, or supposed to be.

John