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As always, ever the opportunist class act.
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Yet another harvest of media attention for Trump, based on a trifle of a tweet.
LA Times at least calls it right in their little headline: Trump is trolling.
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08-29-2016, 05:15 PM
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I wouldn't say 'magical thinking,' I'd say 'identity politics.' The guy in the article feels 'his people' are disrespected in the national culture now, but Trump is on his side.
Trump is an 'only money matters' guy actually, and would be incredulous at the suggestion that he should give even a tiny shit about a swamp. But he has been able to stroke the TP sorts feelings of alienation, creating a bond that, for now, transcends everything for them. He's theirs, in their minds at least, and they're his.
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Not just Trump the chameleon appeal, his whole tea party Conservative philosophy is magical thinking. I know it from being a Utah Mormon boy.
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Not just Trump the chameleon appeal, his whole tea party Conservative philosophy is magical thinking. I know it from being a Utah Mormon boy.
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I emphasized identity politics in my comment because the author, Arlie Hochschild, explicitly emphasizes this theme. See this excerpt, a summary that comes at the end of what I feel is an excellent article:
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Democrats were, he was convinced, continuing to make the government into an instrument of his own marginalization — and media liberals were now ridiculing people like him as ignorant, backward rednecks. Culturally, demographically, economically, and now environmentally, he felt ever more like a stranger in his own land.
It mattered little to him that Donald Trump would not reduce the big government he so fervently wanted cut, or that The Donald was soft on the pro-life, pro-marriage positions he valued, or that he hadn’t uttered a peep about the national debt. None of it mattered because Trump, he felt, would switch off that marginalization machine and restore the honor of his kind of people, of himself. Mike knew that liberals favored care for the environment far more than Republicans, Tea Partiers, or Donald Trump. Yet, despite his lost home in a despoiled land, like others of his older white neighbors back at the Bayou and here in the Basin, Mike was foursquare for Trump; that’s how deeply his pride was injured and a measure of just how much that injury galled him. [emphasis added]
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Now I'm not trying to be argumentative. It's just that I understand the point I made, and don't understand yours yet. Can you tell me more about magical thinking and the tea party?
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08-29-2016, 07:18 PM
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I emphasized identity politics in my comment because the author, Arlie Hochschild, explicitly emphasizes this theme. See this excerpt, a summary that comes at the end of what I feel is an excellent article:
Now I'm not trying to be argumentative. It's just that I understand the point I made, and don't understand yours yet. Can you tell me more about magical thinking and the tea party? |
I did understand your point. It's the whole "government oversight is bad, starve the beast and live free" thing I find ridiculously fanciful.
If one thinks that everyone plays nice without incorruptible oversight to prevent the bullies from taking over, one is living in a dream world.
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I did understand your point. It's the whole "government oversight is bad, starve the beast and live free" thing I find ridiculously fanciful.
If one thinks that everyone plays nice without incorruptible oversight to prevent the bullies from taking over, one is living in a dream world.
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QFT, they must be real "morans". 
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I did understand your point. It's the whole "government oversight is bad, starve the beast and live free" thing I find ridiculously fanciful.
If one thinks that everyone plays nice without incorruptible oversight to prevent the bullies from taking over, one is living in a dream world.
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Gotcha. Libertarian lalaland.
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Gotcha. Libertarian lalaland.
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Incorruptible oversight is every bit as looney a concept as no oversight.
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08-29-2016, 08:02 PM
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Incorruptible oversight is every bit as looney a concept as no oversight.
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Not really, it can happen and has. The atomic power program under Hyman Rickover for instance. FDA has been pretty dependable but could do better.
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Trump is wrong on inner city crime:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...a50b6?section=
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