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[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by merrylander

The essence is quite obvious to any rational person. She is simply stating historical fact. James Polk called it Manifest Destiny but in actual fact he stole most of the western United States from Mexico at gunpoint. All done under the guise of a "war".

And Mexico?

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The implication is that 'wrongdoing' at that 'border' is not all one way. It suggest that the 'moral authority' of the border is relative and contingent. And it suggests the essence of 'national identity' is at best amoral happenstance.

And therefore she is not obliged to recognize any authority.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

And Mexico?

Territory that once was part of Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...idalgo#Results

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

And therefore she is not obliged to recognize any authority.

Yes and no. Not as authoritarians mean it, no. But then, no one is, if you asked me.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Territory that once was part of Mexico.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty...idalgo#Results

Derived from Spanish conquest.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

Yes and no. Not as authoritarians mean it, no. But then, no one is, if you asked me.

Anarchy? Chaos?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Implying? That she does not recognize the present borders? That she is really a Mexican? She does not recognize the US government?

What is the essence of this statement?

You're really reaching here. All she means is that her family is right where is has been for 9 generations but at some point her ancestral home became part of the US making her an American with a long connection to the country.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Implying? That she does not recognize the present borders? That she is really a Mexican? She does not recognize the US government?

What is the essence of this statement?

It means that ten generations ago her family were citizens in Mexico. Then they were citizens of the Republic of Texas, then they became US citizens when Texas joined the United States. All without changing their residence. The border moved while they stayed in the same place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Longoria

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

And therefore she is not obliged to recognize any authority.

Nonsense.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Nonsense.

The prominence of the statement is then meaningless. It has no political import, context. What is the point?