The OFFICIAL Hillary Death Spiral Thread!

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by finnbow

For the last 20 years of my Federal career, I had a security clearance as high as Hillary's, and I know for a fact that I would have been fired and likely prosecuted for doing what she did. No doubt about it.

Then you also know for a fact that people that high up the food chain are almost never held accountable. They have low level schmucks whose job it is to fall on their swords for them.

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

You forgot "stooge", "dumbass", "redneck", "tightwad", "bigot", "lackey", "flunky", 'ass kisser".................

We could go on all day, there are so many words that come to mind.

What you need to see isn't the individual trees, it's the forest behind them. And, that forest is the government that runs at the behest of the financial elite and a moronic ideology (Conservatism) that thinks the answer to this problem is to give said financial elite tax breaks, deregulation, less oversight and a totally docile and compliant work force............ Because they somehow think this is a path to "freedom for all". Allowing powerful, monied interests free rein to run our lives unhindered with no Democratic institutions empowering the common man to fight back........

Yeah, sounds great.

Gee, Thanks.

Like it is! Well said.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Then you also know for a fact that people that high up the food chain are almost never held accountable. They have low level schmucks whose job it is to fall on their swords for them.

Not when it comes to mishandling/divulging classified material. Ask Petraeus or Wen Ho Lee.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Not when it comes to mishandling/divulging classified material. Ask Petraeus or Wen Ho Lee.

I'll give you Wen Ho Lee but Petraeus should have done time too and, of course, he didn't.

I also think it's totally unwarranted to imply some sort of equivalency between what Lee and Petraeus did with what Clinton may have done.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I'll give you Wen Ho Lee but Petraeus should have done time too and, of course, he didn't.

I also think it's totally unwarranted to imply some sort of equivalency between what Lee and Petraeus did with what Clinton may have done.

It remains to be seen. Hence the investigations. As for Petraeus,

In January 2015, the New York Times reported that that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Justice Department have recommended bringing felony charges against Petraeus for providing classified information to Broadwell. Petraeus had denied the allegations and was reported to have had no interest in a plea deal.[195] However, on Tuesday, March 3, 2015, the U.S. Justice Department announced that General Petraeus agreed to plead guilty in federal court in Charlotte, North Carolina to a charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified information. An attorney for General Petraeus, Robert Barnett, had no immediate comment.[196] On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years’ probation plus a fine of $100,000. The fine was more than double the amount the Justice Department had requested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_..._and_probation

It seems Hillary did indeed retain classified information long after she was authorized to have it (and in an illegal manner (an insecure server)), the same thing Petraeus pleaded guilty to. Just because Hillary is probably the best choice for the Democrats to win the White House, that should not automatically convey innocence for her security infractions.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by Tom Joad

Then you also know for a fact that people that high up the food chain are almost never held accountable. They have low level schmucks whose job it is to fall on their swords for them.

What's the point of obtaining rank if not for the privileges it bestows?

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

It remains to be seen. Hence the investigations. As for Petraeus,

In January 2015, the New York Times reported that that the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Justice Department have recommended bringing felony charges against Petraeus for providing classified information to Broadwell. Petraeus had denied the allegations and was reported to have had no interest in a plea deal.[195] However, on Tuesday, March 3, 2015, the U.S. Justice Department announced that General Petraeus agreed to plead guilty in federal court in Charlotte, North Carolina to a charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified information. An attorney for General Petraeus, Robert Barnett, had no immediate comment.[196] On April 23, 2015, a federal judge sentenced Petraeus to two years’ probation plus a fine of $100,000. The fine was more than double the amount the Justice Department had requested.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_..._and_probation

It seems Hillary did indeed retain classified information long after she was authorized to have it (and in an illegal manner (an insecure server)), the same thing Petraeus pleaded guilty to. Just because Hillary is probably the best choice for the Democrats to win the White House, that should not automatically convey innocence for her security infractions.

Petraeus was just copping a plea, Pat. What he actually did is far worse than the charges he agreed to plead guilty to.

So, what you have here is Petraeus pleading guilty to lesser offenses which, coincidentally, resemble the offenses Clinton may have committed.

So, eventually, Petraeus earned the nickname bestowed upon him.

And for just a piece of tail.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Petraeus was just copping a plea, Pat. What he actually did is far worse than the charges he agreed to plead guilty to.

So, what you have here is Petraeus pleading guilty to lesser offenses which, coincidentally, resemble the offenses Clinton may have committed.

So, eventually, Petraeus earned the nickname bestowed upon him.

And for just a piece of tail.

That's probably a better reason than Hillary has (i.e., paranoia and a desire to conceal all aspects of her decision-making at State).

FWIW, we agree that Hillary may be guilty of what Petraeus copped to. Is that somehow a good thing?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by nailer

What's the point of obtaining rank if not for the privileges it bestows?

Of course.

That service to the people crap has always been a line of bullshit to feed to the losers of this world.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by finnbow

FWIW, we agree that Hillary may be guilty of what Petraeus copped to. Is that somehow a good thing?

Maybe. For my part, I've never asserted that she was innocent of all the charges leveled at her (none of which have originated with law enforcement) but, all along, you've seemed unprepared to accept any but the worst assumptions and worst interpretations of what she may have done.