GOP Poisons Flint Michigan

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Originally Posted by finnbow

Were it not for the obstinacy and evasiveness of the Michigan DEQ and other Snyder minions, not to mention their deliberate attempts to discredit those who blew the whistle on this malfeasance (EPA, local health officials and the nation's preeminent researcher on lead contamination of municipal water supplies) and poo-poo customer complaints, I'd say you'd have a point. However, they did and therefore you don't.

This mess was avoidable and deliberate decisions by Snyder and his minions to circumvent the EPA Lead and Copper Rule led to it (and their subsequent behavior prolonged it). EPA warnings about the necessity to add phosphate to protect from the known corrosive nature of the Flint river water were ignored (as the Michigan DEQ actively tried to discredit the EPA source of these warnings).

For a guy from the party of personal responsibility, you're pretty quick to run cover for malfeasance in your state's government.

If any post of mine attempted to excuse the State from culpability, you'd have a point. However I didn't, and therefore you don't.

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Originally Posted by finnbow

....and other Snyder minions...

Originally Posted by Boreas

... Snyder and his minions...

Do you guys watch the same cartoon movies?

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Do you guys watch the same cartoon movies?

If the shoe fits, ...

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Do you guys watch the same cartoon movies?

I could have said "henchmen". Would you have preferred that?

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Originally Posted by Boreas

Doesn't address the central issue that, either through a grotesque level of incompetence or a sociopathic degree of callous indifference, Snyder and his minions allowed a switch in the Flint water system that increased the danger of lead poisoning to the people of that city. And, contrary to their original assertions, it wasn't to save money.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. Detroit water customers - which include many of the surrounding suburban communities including the one I live in - pay some of the highest water rates in the United States. Ironically, we're surrounded by one of the largest sources of fresh water on the planet - the Great Lakes.

This article gives a bit of context.

The "deal" you referred to wouldn't have addressed the long - term infrastructure issues in the Detroit system. Flint actually made the right decision by moving away from the Detroit system and toward a system that would give the city and surrounding communities more local control over their water system and costs. The issue was not the decision to make the move, but how the move was implemented.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by whell

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was. Detroit water customers - which include many of the surrounding suburban communities including the one I live in - pay some of the highest water rates in the United States. Ironically, we're surrounded by one of the largest sources of fresh water on the planet - the Great Lakes.

This article gives a bit of context.

The "deal" you referred to wouldn't have addressed the long - term infrastructure issues in the Detroit system. Flint actually made the right decision by moving away from the Detroit system and toward a system that would give the city and surrounding communities more local control over their water system and costs. The issue was not the decision to make the move, but how the move was implemented.

This is all peripheral bullshit.

The issue is the decision to pump water from a water source that was known to be seriously polluted and the attempts on the part of Snyder and his henchmen to deny the facts and discredit the whistleblowers while continuing to poison people.

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Originally Posted by Boreas

This is all peripheral bullshit.

The issue is the decision to pump water from a water source that was known to be seriously polluted and the attempts on the part of Snyder and his henchmen to deny the facts and discredit the whistleblowers while continuing to poison people.

No, it addresses your assertion that the move away from the City of Detroit's water system was motivated by something other than costs. There's a TON of local history on the management and operation of the Detroit water system, and to say that costs didn't play a part in this for Flint is not correct. Here's more on that, by the way.

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2014/09/...ter-authority/

The move away from Detroit was the right thing to do. Was it well executed? Not by a long shot.

So, who are these henchmen / minions that you keep referring to?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

The "deal" you referred to wouldn't have addressed the long - term infrastructure issues in the Detroit system. Flint actually made the right decision by moving away from the Detroit system and toward a system that would give the city and surrounding communities more local control over their water system and costs. The issue was not the decision to make the move, but how the move was implemented.

So the decision was right, you say??? And then later you claim you aren't defending the state?

Actually everything you say in the above quoted paragraph is wrong. Especially when you say 'Flint' made the decision. It was Snyder and his minions that decided.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I could have said "henchmen". Would you have preferred that?

Or co-conspirators.

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Originally Posted by donquixote99

So the decision was right, you say??? And then later you claim you aren't defending the state?

Actually everything you say in the above quoted paragraph is wrong. Especially when you say 'Flint' made the decision. It was Snyder and his minions that decided.

Another cartoon fan...

Sorry, but it was the City's decision - also voted by city Council - to move away from the Detroit Water System. They didn't obviously sign up for the mishandled interim Flint River solution, but is was clear that the desire to move off the Detroit system was viewed as the right long term solution.