Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Your goalposts are both clear and revelatory. That you see any circumstances wherein Vic Mackey style policing would be indicated is more than a little disturbing.

That you cannot conceive of any circumstance where it would not is disturbing and naive.

Realpolitik for the masses.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

That you cannot conceive of any circumstance where it would not is disturbing and naive.

Realpolitik for the masses.

Tell me then. What circumstances would require the use of cops who were themselves violent criminals, who were thieves, torturers, blackmailers and murderers? How would that resolve the situation?

It occurs to me that, to a degree, the terrible situation in Ferguson was in large measure brought ab out through the deployment of that very sort of cops.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

It's the problem with one-value mindsets. If 'security' or 'victory' are more important than anything, then nothing is wrong if you do it to try to get them.

Like if all you have is a hammer. . . well if you attend every demonstration in riot gear . . .

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Tell me then. What circumstances would require the use of cops who were themselves violent criminals, who were thieves, torturers, blackmailers and murderers? How would that resolve the situation?

It occurs to me that, to a degree, the terrible situation in Ferguson was in large measure brought ab out through the deployment of that very sort of cops.

No.

The situation in Fergu-nam is based in not admitting appropriate policing was a necessary response by those who would try to rationalize deviant behavior within the population.

Saddam was necessary, for example. We made things worse by removing him.

The citizenry caused this, not the demanded response.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Zeke

No.

The situation in Fergu-nam is based in not admitting appropriate policing was a necessary response by those who would try to rationalize deviant behavior within the population.

Saddam was necessary, for example. We made things worse by removing him.

The citizenry caused this, not the demanded response.

You're not answering the question.

And "Fergu-nam"? "Arc Light"? Where's "Phoenix Program"? That would seem to follow the trajectory of your.... um.... logic

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

No.

BWAHAH! Guess he told you, eh John-boy?

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

BWAHAH! Guess he told you, eh John-boy?

Zeke is now hunkered down in deep bunker mentality.

His whole world, everything he believes in, is crumbling down around him.

[Zeke]

Oh, please.

LAME.

[sheltiedave]

Ferguson population....21,000

Ferguson police department generated revenue from tickets, fines, etc.
2010....1.2 MILLION dollars
2014....3.3 MILLION dollars

Black population in Ferguson approx. 14,000

Over 90% of all tickets issued were to blacks.

0.9 x 1.2 MILLION = $980,000 in fines in 2010.
0.9 x 3.3 MILLION = $2,970,000 in fines in 2014.

Let us presume that between 30% and 70% of the tickets were written on residents....
This would mean the city of Ferguson generated somewhere in the range of

2010 $294,000 to $686,000 off of its black residents.
2014 $891,000 to $1,617,000 off of its black residents.

Approximately 29% of its citizens are under 18 years of age, so let us do an age adjusted exclusion.

14,000 black residents x 71% = 9,940 residents pay the fines. This would mean each of the 9.940 black adults would pay
2010 $29.58 to 69.01 per capita
2014 $89.63 to 162.68 per capita

You could even reasonably go one step further and say 50% of the Ferguson black adult citizens don't get a single ticket, which would then generate these numbers....

2010 $59.16 to $138.02 per black capita ticketed
2014 $179.26 to $325.36 per black capita ticketed

In a city with a median household income of $38,700, and over 25% of all households below the poverty line, it should not be hard to realize that a municipality that hires more police to merely be ticket generators is going to be a very antagonistic situation.

[icenine]

At first blush the retired Chief of Police looked like a bumpkin, but it appears that these huge increases in fines over the last few years was a direct result of his leadership...perhaps he is an expert in this sort of thing. Sheltiedave is there any information on the salaries of these city officials?