Darren Wilson's Side of the Story

[JJIII]

Ike, I think dj meant "must not" not as "shall not' but as "maybe we don't have". Of course, I could be wrong.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Ike, I think dj meant "must not" not as "shall not' but as "maybe we don't have". Of course, I could be wrong.

You must be because Ike never is.

John

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

So here's where I'm going with this. The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, but in ourselves. If we need to have no bad cops the people need to start demanding it...and not just the people most often victimized by it. White people dug into their cozy bungalows in Fairfax County, Westchester County, Marin County, DuPage County...need to start demanding it. Although most of the white folk in those counties probably don't give a shit in Rodney King's hat how many black men get their brains half beaten out, the life choked out of them, or shot in the top of the head.

While you may find it comforting to wallow in your own white guilt (while insisting that others do the same), you seem unwilling to accept the notion that residents of some minority communities have a certain measure of responsibility for the social pathologies within their own communities.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

While you may find it comforting to wallow in your own white guilt (while insisting that others do the same), you seem unwilling to accept the notion that residents of some minority communities have a certain measure of responsibility for the social pathologies within their own communities.

Everybody has their measure of responsibility. Problematic neighborhoods are so because of some of the people who live in them. As far as my notions are concerned...my notions on this subject will change when we start to see anything approaching the numbers of white people in Westchester County having the life choked out of them on the street by the cops as we see in Tomkinsville on Staten Island.

And you're an idiot...I've had as many complaints about miscarriages of justice perped on innocent while people as anybody else.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And you're an idiot...I've had as many complaints about miscarriages of justice perped on innocent while people as anybody else.

It's often the mark of an idiot to misuse an idiom. For instance, while "perp", as a noun, is short for perpetrator. On the other hand, "perp" as a verb is unrelated. Rather, it means to feign or to pretend, i.e. "Ike just perped that opposition to any Israeli action is by definition anti-Semitic."

John

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Rather, it means to feign or to pretend, i.e. "Ike just perped that opposition to any Israeli action is by definition anti-Semitic."

John

Just as an FYI John...your comment above would carry a little more weight with me if it were accurate. I believe finn and Zeke...by their comments are simply anti-Semitic. I believe Hamas and those who support Hamas are anti-Semitic. I'm gonna say that most of the Arab world is made up of people who are, to one extent or another, anti-Semitic. But I defy you to find one comment by me where I've said that anybody who has problems with the state of Israel is anti-semitic. In fact most of those critics are not...they just have their history wrong, and for some reason when it comes to their analysis of who the actual terrorists are, they seem to think it was old Jew Hadassah women who flew those two jetliners into the WTC.

I believe that for the most part, most people on this planet who know what a Jew is, have at least some anti-Semitic attitudes. It's just the way it is. You really think that during WWII that Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Latvians, etc blamed the Germans as much as they blamed European Jews? If not for Jews, the nazis wouldn't be perping on the rest of Europe. Right...all those Poles standing by the side of the rail lines giving the Jews in the cattle cars the cutthroat sign...they weren't anti-Semitic. All those Ukrainian camp guards who were at least as vicious and murderous as the nazi guards. Ukrainian Nationalists who continued to round up and murder Jews well into 1945. Nah...they weren't anti-Semitic.

What humans need more than anything is a scapegoat to blame for their miserable fucked-up lives. Time and history has taught us, that the most convenient scapegoat in the history of this planet is the Jew.

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Just as an FYI John...your comment above would carry a little more weight with me if it were accurate. I believe finn and Zeke...by their comments are simply anti-Semitic.

You also apparently include me in that group since you've called me an "enemy of Israel" and a "Jew-hater".

I believe Hamas and those who support Hamas are anti-Semitic. I'm gonna say that most of the Arab world is made up of people who are, to one extent or another, anti-Semitic.

By the way, most Muslims, most members of Hamas and all Arabs are Semites. Jew-hater works much better.

But I defy you to find one comment by me where I've said that anybody who has problems with the state of Israel is anti-semitic.

Well, that's pretty fucking disingenuous, Ike. Every time anyone here questions any action on the part of Israel, you accuse them of being anti-Semitic. Maybe you haven't actually made such a blanket and pre-emptive statement (or maybe you have) but, given the corpus of your posting here, it's hardly necessary.

I believe that for the most part, most people on this planet who know what a Jew is, have at least some anti-Semitic attitudes. It's just the way it is. You really think that during WWII that Poles, Czechs, Slovaks, Lithuanians, Latvians, etc blamed the Germans as much as they blamed European Jews? If not for Jews, the nazis wouldn't be perping on the rest of Europe.

This is utter nonsense. So, when the Nazis invaded Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Russia, Ukraine, Latvia, Estonia, France, Denmark, Holland, Belgium and others I've doubtless omitted, they did so because there were Jews there? And the people of all those countries welcomed the Nazis..... Nazis, not "Germans"..... because finally someone was going to do something about the Jews?

Right...all those Poles standing by the side of the rail lines giving the Jews in the cattle cars the cutthroat sign...they weren't anti-Semitic. All those Ukrainian camp guards who were at least as vicious and murderous as the nazi guards. Ukrainian Nationalists who continued to round up and murder Jews well into 1945. Nah...they weren't anti-Semitic.

Most of the people in occupied Europe were just keeping their heads down, trying to stay alive. The fate of the Jews (or any of their other neighbors) was secondary to their own. Nobody is saying that anti-Semitism doesn't exist but it isn't the guiding principle of the non-Jewish people of the world as you seem to believe.

What humans need more than anything is a scapegoat to blame for their miserable fucked-up lives. Time and history has taught us, that the most convenient scapegoat in the history of this planet is the Jew.

Interestingly, though anti-Semitism definitely still exists, it's "socially unacceptable" in modern society. We've seen where it leads and we don't want to go there again. Perhaps in another 70 years the same will be said about Islamophobia.

And another of Ike's paranoid rant dispensed with.

John

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Well, that's pretty fucking disingenuous, Ike. Every time anyone here questions any action on the part of Israel, you accuse them of being anti-Semitic. Maybe you haven't actually made such a blanket and pre-emptive statement (or maybe you have) but, given the corpus of your posting here, it's hardly necessary.

John

Actually is it necessary John...or you go ahead and identify yourself as simply a liar when you say it's so. Because I have not actually accused anyone here who questions any action on the part of Israel as a Jew-hater. Only the two that have provided me with enough evidence for me to believe so. And you pretty much confirmed that with... "Maybe you haven't actually made such a blanket and pre-emptive statement...", which is the only truthful comment you've made about it.

So, I'm gonna take this as...no I actually can't find anything where you've accused everybody who opposes the state of Israel as a Jew-hater, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Still waiting for the "John, you're a Jew-hater" post of mine you're basing all of this on, not holding my breath though.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by merrylander

So Pete her brother was bleeding to death are you suggesting she should have asked that dumb cop and said pretty please.

I guess maybe it is time for a sabbatical as the people here are beginning to disgust me.

Bullshit.

It's the failure of your pollyanna view of life which disgusts you.

That's nobody's responsibility but yours.

Age is no predictor of intent, especially once you've already been forced to shoot someone.

Again, try thinking.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by merrylander

So Pete her brother was bleeding to death are you suggesting she should have asked that dumb cop and said pretty please.

I guess maybe it is time for another sabbatical as the people here have continued to disgust me since my last one.

Fixed.

Please don't go, you're too funny.