The Affordable Care Act

[icenine]

The right does not want single payer
they did not want the public option

they do not like Obama care

they talk about this "patient centered health care plan".....

just what the hell is that?


JBS Obama has co-opted the conservative health care plan....
your party's refusal to pass their own plan or support this one will be just one of many reasons why you will stay a minority party at the national level. Soon at the state too.

[piece-itpete]

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.....As many of you know, President Obama’s point man in the Senate for health reform was Sen. Max Baucus. A June, 2009 story by Mike Dennison of the Montana Standard revealed that Baucus has received more money from the insurance and medical industries than any other member of Congress, and that money from these sectors accounts for a quarter of his total campaign contributions; Baucus accepted more than three million dollars from Big Insurance and Big Pharma between 2003 and 2008. Picking Sen. Baucus to lead a health insurance reform effort presented a conflict of interest, to say the least.

But Sen. Baucus did not write the bill, at least not directly. So, who did? On March 25, 2010, Mr. Baucus thanked the principle author, saying:
“I wish to single out one person, and that one person is sitting next to me. Her name is Liz Fowler. Liz Fowler is my chief health counsel. Liz Fowler has put my health care team together. Liz Fowler worked for me many years ago, left for the private sector, and then came back when she realized she could be there at the creation of health care reform.”
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http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2013...2-2495228.html

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Liz Fowler left her post as deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Oversight at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services for a senior position in Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2245367.html

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Pete

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

And I mean this in the nicest possible way. Every post I read of yours, I get this vision of a face with prefrontal lobotomy bruising.

So it's yes then. Twice the money for 40th best outcomes...the lobotomy is obviously working great for you. And 45,000 needlessly dead Americans every year. Ahhh you kinder and gentler conservatives, eh?

45,000 needlessly dead Americans.... Prove it!

All you showed us so far is biased report that was rigged so Kool-aid drinkers like you can spread it around like facts.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by barbara

I'm more optimistic than that. I think that, at some point, we will wise up and model our health care after successful models used in other countries.

I believe that most of those voters wanted a single payer system in the first place and would support it.

I don't know that it will happen in my lifetime...... But sooner or later we have to get to that point. (Just my opinion)

I'm not that optimistic barbara. Yes...I'm encouraged by the cultural shift that has caused the GOP to lose 5 of the last 6 presidential popular votes. However, I still believe that even though the young people of this country are more tolerant of other nationalities and ethnicities, more tolerant of women's reproductive rights, more tolerant of gay rights and same-sex marriage rights...this is still a country that has totally abandoned any acceptance of the kind of collectivist philosophy that would cause the majority of us to put the welfare of others on an equal level as our self-interest.

We just don't do it.

The fact that Europe has had the kind of health care that it has for over 4 decades and we still have a majority of the population that doesn't give a shit in Albert Schweitzer's hat for the 30 million uninsured and the 45,000 dying needlessly every year for the lack of insurance. And I believe we don't have it because politicians may be many things...but they know their craft. So they know that supporting it would likely put their office at high risk. Something in the nature of Americans has to change...and change big before there will be real universal health care in this country.

So we do agree that it probably won't happen in our lifetimes.

[whell]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

"
.....As many of you know, President Obama’s point man in the Senate for health reform was Sen. Max Baucus. A June, 2009 story by Mike Dennison of the Montana Standard revealed that Baucus has received more money from the insurance and medical industries than any other member of Congress, and that money from these sectors accounts for a quarter of his total campaign contributions; Baucus accepted more than three million dollars from Big Insurance and Big Pharma between 2003 and 2008. Picking Sen. Baucus to lead a health insurance reform effort presented a conflict of interest, to say the least.

But Sen. Baucus did not write the bill, at least not directly. So, who did? On March 25, 2010, Mr. Baucus thanked the principle author, saying:
“I wish to single out one person, and that one person is sitting next to me. Her name is Liz Fowler. Liz Fowler is my chief health counsel. Liz Fowler has put my health care team together. Liz Fowler worked for me many years ago, left for the private sector, and then came back when she realized she could be there at the creation of health care reform.”
......"

http://beforeitsnews.com/health/2013...2-2495228.html

.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.

"......

Liz Fowler left her post as deputy director of the Office of Consumer Information and Oversight at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services for a senior position in Johnson & Johnson's government affairs and policy group.

......"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2245367.html

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Pete

So, all you lefties who claim that PPACA is a mess: you're just part of the left's war on women.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by JBS...

45,000 needlessly dead Americans.... Prove it!

All you showed us so far is biased report that was rigged so Kool-aid drinkers like you can spread it around like facts.

And all you do is spew braindead FOX/EIB gasbag partisan propaganda when faced with the proof you demanded.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by icenine

The right does not want single payer
they did not want the public option

they do not like Obama care

they talk about this "patient centered health care plan".....

just what the hell is that?


JBS Obama has co-opted the conservative health care plan....
your party's refusal to pass their own plan or support this one will be just one of many reasons why you will stay a minority party at the national level. Soon at the state too.

One would hope. I suspect it will continue to be difficult for the GOP to win the White House, and also to gain back control of the Senate. But the problem with the structure of this government is in the US House...where there are enough backwater Cabbageville's putting teabag lamebrains in the congress to cause problems with reasonable and responsible governance of the nation.

[merrylander]

Here iis a link for you Just BS.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Here iis a link for you Just BS.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/11856.php

How does this correlate with argument at hand of 45,000 dying each year from lack of insurance?

[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by JBS...

I mean this in the nicest possible way. Every post I read of yours, I get this vision of a monkey flinging shit. But to answer your question, YES

Youch. I know this isn't AK, but let's not make the difference quite that great, OK?