Christie's pension cut overturned.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by noonereal

of course you are correct. The problem is people like me.

I see a drop dead drunk and his wife collecting well over $200,000 annually as retired teachers and know how hard Ike and I worked and human nature sets in. Why should I pay for such outlandish retirements to people who worked
outrageously fewer hours in a job that was for losers when they took them.

(Sorry, my virtue is not what it should be the last month or so.)

A little bit harsh. Just because you choose to work in a different field with a different set of promises if any. No reason to now say one who choose to work with with a promise of a retirement to begrudge them now it is time to pay.

As to the person working fewer hours, don't know many teacher do you?
Plus if the person has a problem effecting their performance would they not have been weeded out before retirement? I know here the spot light is on the teachers and one with any hint of a dependency problem is gone ASAP! They are Union members in the public system if they choose to be.



Barney

[Rajoo]

Hypocrisy in action.

Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. They are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary. By law, the starting amount of a member’s retirement annuity may not exceed 80 percent of his or her final salary.

And since 1984, they have also been contributing into Social Security.
So do they get to double dip?

http://www.senate.gov/reference/comm..._members.shtml

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by BeamOn

Hypocrisy in action.



And since 1984, they have also been contributing into Social Security.
So do they get to double dip?

http://www.senate.gov/reference/comm..._members.shtml

Whatever they get from their pensions and social security, it's chump change compared to the rewards they get via the "revolving door" when they get rewarded with multi-million dollar positions working for the companies that they did favors for while in office.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Boreas

I think you're being unduly hard on teachers, Ed...... and on alcoholics.

John

lol, well to be fair, I like most alcoholics and it's not the teachers fault they were in the right place at the right time.

Still, on a serious note, public employee union benefits have about bankrupt everyone. It's just not necessary to pay 6 figures to people who are retired on the backs of folks making half that. IMHO

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Oerets

A little bit harsh. Just because you choose to work in a different field with a different set of promises if any. No reason to now say one who choose to work with with a promise of a retirement to begrudge them now it is time to pay.

Oh Bullsh't.

life is about bumping into stuff as much as anything. Yeah, some folks in town knew what a racket it was and keep it in the family.That is true.

Still, time is change. I have been promised all kinds of cra% in my life that got changed. There is no way to predict nor anticipate most times. Given them a pension, no problem. You pay for it. Thanks.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by noonereal

Oh Bullsh't.


I have been promised all kinds of cra% in my life that got changed. There is no way to predict nor anticipate most times. Given them a pension, no problem. You pay for it. Thanks.

Just how did you feel when the words promised are hollow? Not good be my guess. I was taught one of a measure of a man was his word. So can that be also said for a society? Another is how they treat others. With compassion or contempt.

There are no free rides, all of us here have benefited to some degree from the tax dollars paid in over the years by others. Some apparent other are so subtle. You drive on public roads, benefit from clean drinking water an educated populace. All of these and many other services we take for granted are for the greater good of our society. They are public because those in the past realized private sector only wanted profits over service. Something we have forgotten now.

So I for one feel that it is pure chicken $hit to go back on ones word for no other reason then to cut taxes for the rich. For they are the very ones who benefited the most from the system setup years ago. They just are too cheap and greedy in wanting others to pay their way.



Barney

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Just how did you feel when the words promised are hollow? Not good be my guess. I was taught one of a measure of a man was his word. So can that be also said for a society? Another is how they treat others. With compassion or contempt.

Public unions and politicians virtuous? ROTFLMAO. It's a scam not an agreement. No ethics or morals at play here. The got over like fat rats, time to become reasonable.

So I for one feel that it is pure chicken $hit to go back on ones word for no other reason then to cut taxes .

Your idealism leaves you prey.

I find your mantra admirable. I find it's application, misguided.

BTW, you are off base. These excessive benefits come from stealing from the programs the poor need just to sustain. The rich will never pay for anything.

[Dondilion]

Noticed the British are following the Republicans.

Firemen went on strike yesterday.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-29846243

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by noonereal

lol, well to be fair, I like most alcoholics and it's not the teachers fault they were in the right place at the right time.

Still, on a serious note, public employee union benefits have about bankrupt everyone. It's just not necessary to pay 6 figures to people who are retired on the backs of folks making half that. IMHO

If you can figure out a a way to throw the ones drawing six figures under the bus without fucking with my measly 25K I'll be right there with you. However the real villains that are living on our backs are the mega-millionaires and billionaires like Romney, the Koch brothers, the Waltons, etc. You should go after their asses first.