The US's trouble with Europe and love? of Russia

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[piece-itpete]

The commies found a lot of 'useful idiots' early on. (I think that's harsh - their propaganda is very appealing)

Tailgunner Joe (I had to look that up, thanks Finn ) was a phony for sure, but just because he used it to try to gain power doesn't mean it didn't exist. Heck quite a few HAD gone to communist party meetings etc. Note I did not say joined. Applebaum says 'mid 20th century', very vague

Today, all these years later, Putin is straight out of the KGB, still trying to hurt us, bring us down, often using the same methods.

Agreed the communist party wasn't winning any elections in the 80s/90s (understatement). However I did live through that time and they always had a certain percentage of (at least) sympathy. Going a little further back, I was playing Jefferson Airplanes' 'Volunteers' in my bedroom years ago and my dad stuck his head in. He asked me why I was playing the Soviet anthem.

Even now communism is a thing in the US among certain groups, even though it has killed far more people than the Nazis. Again, their propaganda is appealing... but we know the horrific reality documented by Anne and Aleksandr, thank goodness.

A lot of what Applebaum says is reassuring, that 70% +/- are still for NATO and our close alliance with / leadership of the free world. I hope she's right.

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Even now communism is a thing in the US among certain groups...

A lot of what Applebaum says is reassuring, that 70% +/- are still for NATO and our close alliance with / leadership of the free world. I hope she's right.

Pete

A big difference is that the Republican President and his base are openly supportive of Russia and its kleptocracy and actively emulating Putin's authoritarian kleptocracy.

Unlike Trump, FDR and Truman didn't model their administrations after that of the Soviet leader Josef Stalin. Hell, the Truman administration conducted loyalty tests to prevent any communists from serving in Government. Trump, OTOH, demands loyalty to MAGA (itself supportive of Putin) in order to serve in his administration.

[RickeyM]

Originally Posted by Human

If there is anything of substance here, YouTube is not the place to make known.

I think you guys give Youtube a bad rap. Sure there are some wingnuts there but they're easy to spot when you put on your critical thinking cap. As with anything, consider the source.

[piece-itpete]

Agreed Trump is definitely beholden to Russia for some reason. Applebaum was talking about why various groups here may hold Russia as an alternate system, to fix perceived issues the US has.

No comment on Jefferson Airplane's choice of music?

Rickey I think part of the concern with video links is people just posting a link with no conversation? Kinda spamming.

'We' are waayyy better than that lol. We should have a thread for 'good' YT channels.


Pete

[Noogies]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

We should have a thread for 'good' YT channels.

Yes, but then watch a flame war break out over the definition of 'good'.