Barack H. Obama and your Second Amendment Rights !

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Independent

Come on Zeke, BB is a "MAN" among boys here (just ask him), so we should quit picking on him.

Indy

Indeed, Indy. The proverbial "legend in his own mind."

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Zeke

Law enforcement isn't supposed to draw a firearm prior to perceiving potential lethal threat to themselves. In most situations, once a gun is drawn you've lost the tactical upper hand. ("What? You gonna SHOOT me now, mother fucker? For talking to my own wife?")



It depends upon both the officer and the knife as to whether there is a threat.

A six-foot and enraged man who is not in his right mind whilst holding a butcher's knife? That's a serious situation.

A despondent and suicidal pre-teen with a 2" blade lockback who has just had his heart broken for the first time? I'm not drawing on that kid.



Or, they could just want directions and be as scared as you (colloquial "you") are at approach?

At the hearing? "Joe walked over to find whether we turn right or left on Main, reached in his pocket to light a cigarette, and before the Zippo reached his lips this guy had shot him!"

See the problem?

Folks like Big Bill would have us say, "Yeah! He shouldn't have approached me."

BULLSHIT.

I see the problem, Joe should have tried to light the cigarette instead of his lips!!!

And while this is just my standard smart assed response, it does in fact address the problem.

Bill laid out a scenario where he, along with his wife and daughter, were approached by three men in a manner that he found menacing enough to pull down on them. Now I'm assuming that Bill, as a combat veteran, can differentiate between three girl scouts armed with cookies and an actual threat. Personally, if I read this situation correctly, Bill was fully justified in his response, especially after the one with the gun to his head was still bold enough to point out that there were three of them. I would take this as intent to cause harm.

Then Mr. Wizzard here comes along and states that he (I) would have simply shot the one I already had in my sights to start the dance.

Now this was biased not on Bill's story, but on the premise that the other two, or possibly all three had continued to advance in a threatening manner. Perhaps you wouldn't, perhaps even I wouldn't, I was simply making the case that you would be giving up a tactical advantage by not doing so, as facing multiple opponents puts you at a disadvantage in the first place. All of which would depend on the actual situation at the time.

None of which addresses the ACTUAL problem.

The actual problem is not Bill's actions, which I find to be reasonable, or any off the cuff and out of context comments I may have made, but Bill himself.

Due to his somewhat abrasive personality and political views, this has become a referendum on Bill himself and not on what constitutes the use of lethal force. Or the threat of lethal force, which is what actually happened. This has grown into a personal and ideological battle in which the actual situation serves as no more than the catalyst to advance our own prejudices and dislikes.

Chas

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by merrylander

The problem with that is the perps are showing an increasing tendency to take the $5 or $10 or $20 and then kill you. Possibly because they are high on drugs or worse strung out because they need a fix.

The voter approved initiative called Three Strikes is responsible for these miscreants killing victims /potential witnesses, IMO, more so than being high.

[Charles]

Posted by Bill, "I would guess, by your hesitation to mention your trainers name, that you were trained in a prison system".

Easy there Hoss, I was trained by the Missouri Department of Corrections. I fired FIVE round out of a S&W .38, FIVE rounds out of a crummy Universal .30 carbine (which jammed every three rounds like clockwork), and THREE rounds out of a 12 ga pump.

And I was instructed on how to give CPR to a rubber dummy with a lightbulb in it's nose.

Don't be acting like I don't know nothing!!!

Chas

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Independent

From my point of view, and what I've seen over the last several months, Romney and Santorum have just supplied the dems with way more negative ad ammunition than Gingrich has. Sure Gingrich has a lot of past garbage that everyone has already known about for years, but he really doesn't have anything negatively new to speak of, except maybe colonizing the moon?

The other huge problem with Romney, and not the other candidates, is his flip-flopping on several major republican positions he's taken over the years. I'm sure the dems have plenty of video of that too.

IMHO, this republican primary has given the dems all the negative ad commercials they'll need to make the repubs look even more stupid than anyone can immagine. They're just sitting there with a billion in the bank waiting to see who wins the primary before they strike.



Indy

Damn, and I thought Mitt was the PERFECT stuffed shirt.

Shows you what I know.

Chas

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Big_Bill

Well Zeke,

If your credibility here has anything to do with your "STORY", your credibility stinks, just like the bull shit you espouse as knowledge.

I have meet males like you before, they call them toxic males. These are males that have so much doubt about their masculinity that the attack any one, or any idea that presents a masculine ideal that they feel that they can not obtain themselves . Like your quote: "And that's the biggest load of John Wayne bullshit I've ever seen on this site." you could never live up to the masculine example of John Wayne, so you berate him so that you might feel that you are more a man then he was. But you can not even separate the fictional Character from the actor ? John Wayne was fictional example of male masculinity, and that even threatens you.

But your "STORY" is still pure BULLSHIT !

Bill

Do you mean the John Wayne who was consistently NOT wearing boots in the vast majority of his movies so that "long shots" had to be cropped? Or the guy from Iowa (Have you been to his childhood home? I have.) who changed his name to something more masculine than Marion? Or the one who made, essentially, a bad Vietnam Era propaganda film -- the Green Berets -- and is known to have worn lifts in his shoes so that he could approach the height of James Arness?

Sum? Only a person who is simplistic, easily fooled, unable to understand metaphor, and short on insight would s-t-r-e-t-c-h to the theory that I, or anyone, would be threatened by such a caricature. Oh, wait.

Plus, you're -- as per usual -- completely missing the point. Nobody is showing any disrespect for Marion Morrison, it's blatant disrespect for you being brandished. Even better is your belief that I, or anyone, would do such a thing simply because we might be threatened by your inherent masculinity.

I've read a few rich jokes on this board but that level of delusion is simply delicious to behold. You exhibit the best kind of Kenny Fucking Powers lunacy and you do it with a straight face. (Kudos!) Tell me, do you fondle yourself whilst watching Full Metal Jacket or do you wait until the movie is over?

Originally Posted by Charles

This has grown into a personal and ideological battle in which the actual situation serves as no more than the catalyst to advance our own prejudices and dislikes.

Can't say that I disagree. Just so we're all on the same page, I'll give up a couple of mine.

"I carry a visceral disdain for mindless dicks with guns."

"I don't think Bill should have a gun."

Take that as you may.

Originally Posted by Independent

Come on Zeke, BB is a "MAN" among boys here (just ask him), so we should quit picking on him.

Understood.

[Independent]

Originally Posted by Charles

The actual problem is not Bill's actions, which I find to be reasonable, or any off the cuff and out of context comments I may have made, but Bill himself.

Due to his somewhat abrasive personality and political views, this has become a referendum on Bill himself and not on what constitutes the use of lethal force. Or the threat of lethal force, which is what actually happened. This has grown into a personal and ideological battle in which the actual situation serves as no more than the catalyst to advance our own prejudices and dislikes.

Chas

Ding, ding, ding, by golly I think we have a winner here!

Just about everything Bill starts out posting here, as the original poster, from what I've read anyway, is for trolling, or for letting the rest of us know how much of a "macho man" he is. As a matter of fact, I think that song, "Macho Man" was specifically written for BB. Yep, him and Randy Savage are one in the same!



Indy

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by Independent

Ding, ding, ding, by golly I think we have a winner here!

Just about everything Bill starts out posting here, as the original poster, from what I've read anyway, is for trolling, or for letting the rest of us know how much of a "macho man" he is. As a matter of fact, I think that song, "Macho Man" was specifically written for BB. Yep, him and Randy Savage are one in the same!



Indy

And shame on us for taking the bait.

Regards,

D-Ray

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

And shame on us for taking the bait.

Regards,

D-Ray

Yes.

I own some of that.

[merrylander]

But it is just so much fun to yank his chain.